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shep1582
Now, they're competing against the two evil empires, and they've been so bad for so long...
I feel your collective pains...
:(
April 23, 2009 at 01:05AM View BBCode
my team has always been the astros, but I always had a special affection for the O's. I loved Earl Weaver, and consider him the best what ever was.Now, they're competing against the two evil empires, and they've been so bad for so long...
I feel your collective pains...
:(
happy
April 23, 2009 at 02:29AM View BBCode
the thing is that ever since McPhail took over, not only has the team been less frusterating to be a fan of, but theyve done a good job of marketing their team, you feel like the team is good... (even though they suck), so its not so bad anymore.
shep1582
that's not the case, fans flock to a winning team, the Cubs are an aberration...
April 23, 2009 at 02:37AM View BBCode
too many owners think their teams are the Cubs... their fans will come out to the park no matter what.that's not the case, fans flock to a winning team, the Cubs are an aberration...
FuriousGiorge
I don't know what Bizarro world you're living in. We get Comcast down here too and the team still comes off as the same train wreck it always was.
April 23, 2009 at 03:29AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
you feel like the team is good
I don't know what Bizarro world you're living in. We get Comcast down here too and the team still comes off as the same train wreck it always was.
happy
Ive been to live games too. Its weird. opening day was orioles yankees, and like...it was 90% orioles fans. wtf? And it was sold out... and they oversell their new players. Hell, they had a whole piece about the backup catcher, it almost convinced me that he was good.
April 23, 2009 at 04:07AM View BBCode
MASN = comcast? I dont know.Ive been to live games too. Its weird. opening day was orioles yankees, and like...it was 90% orioles fans. wtf? And it was sold out... and they oversell their new players. Hell, they had a whole piece about the backup catcher, it almost convinced me that he was good.
dirtdevil
April 23, 2009 at 04:12AM View BBCode
which makes you living proof that advertising works, i guess.
Duff77
[quote][i]Originally posted by happy[/i]
you feel like the team is good[/quote]
I don't know what Bizarro world you're living in. We get Comcast down here too and the team still comes off as the same train wreck it always was. [/quote]
Even you have to admit there's a glimmer of hope as compared to, say, 2004. There wasn't a single legitimate prospect on that entire club. Which possibly explains why everyone pretended Daniel Cabrera and Sidney Ponson were prospects.
April 23, 2009 at 05:33AM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by FuriousGiorge[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by happy[/i]
you feel like the team is good[/quote]
I don't know what Bizarro world you're living in. We get Comcast down here too and the team still comes off as the same train wreck it always was. [/quote]
Even you have to admit there's a glimmer of hope as compared to, say, 2004. There wasn't a single legitimate prospect on that entire club. Which possibly explains why everyone pretended Daniel Cabrera and Sidney Ponson were prospects.
happy
-I want to think my team has a chance, im fine with blissful ignorance.
-I intentionally allow myself to be swayed by commercials, because theoretically it means that my personal interests should garner a greater amount of advertising money, thus it should be a higher quality product.
(also, in 2004 we had Roberts, Bedard, and Cust...so i mean, nothing wonderful, but it wasnt all bad)
April 23, 2009 at 06:13AM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
which makes you living proof that advertising works, i guess.
-I want to think my team has a chance, im fine with blissful ignorance.
-I intentionally allow myself to be swayed by commercials, because theoretically it means that my personal interests should garner a greater amount of advertising money, thus it should be a higher quality product.
(also, in 2004 we had Roberts, Bedard, and Cust...so i mean, nothing wonderful, but it wasnt all bad)
dirtdevil
sometimes the 'logic' behind your positions is baffling. this is one of those times.
April 23, 2009 at 12:31PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Originally posted by dirtdevil
which makes you living proof that advertising works, i guess.
-I intentionally allow myself to be swayed by commercials, because theoretically it means that my personal interests should garner a greater amount of advertising money, thus it should be a higher quality product.
sometimes the 'logic' behind your positions is baffling. this is one of those times.
Duff77
This is like...the whole ruse of religion and business in a nutshell, except you're not supposed to know it. If you know it you're supposed to be cynical about it and hate everything. What the hell is wrong with you?
April 23, 2009 at 03:44PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
-I want to think my team has a chance, im fine with blissful ignorance.
-I intentionally allow myself to be swayed by commercials, because theoretically it means that my personal interests should garner a greater amount of advertising money, thus it should be a higher quality product.
This is like...the whole ruse of religion and business in a nutshell, except you're not supposed to know it. If you know it you're supposed to be cynical about it and hate everything. What the hell is wrong with you?
happy
and its not like I actually care what type of razor I use.
its like...the equivalent of giving yourself an extra vote. I mean, it already happens, the 18-25 crowd tends to get more ad money put behind activities they enjoy. I plan on doing my part.
April 23, 2009 at 05:38PM View BBCode
think about this, if all orioles fans were strongly swayed by advertisements (like, for example if the orioles stadium were named Gilette field, we all would rush out to the store and buy ourselves Gilette razors), and all yankees fans were not at all swayed, and this was known information, then the orioles stadium naming rights (and all other orioles related advertisements) would be a hot commodity, the orioles would have a significantly larger sum of money, and then maybe CC Sabathia and Mark Texiera would be playing for us this year.and its not like I actually care what type of razor I use.
its like...the equivalent of giving yourself an extra vote. I mean, it already happens, the 18-25 crowd tends to get more ad money put behind activities they enjoy. I plan on doing my part.
barterer2002
April 23, 2009 at 05:46PM View BBCode
For the record, you're welcome for Adam Eaton. Glad he's anywhere but here.
happy
And the thing is, he might be better than Hendrickson and Simon.
April 23, 2009 at 06:10PM View BBCode
worst ERA of like...any pitcher with at least 50 starts in the past decade or something.And the thing is, he might be better than Hendrickson and Simon.
Duff77
April 23, 2009 at 06:26PM View BBCode
So basically, this thread is now four pages deep in making a point I can make in two words: They suck.
tm4559
it is the same as simd, the fake players are trying to win. the real players on bad teams are trying to win. but the general manager, the vice president, whoever is running the team, can set the team up to phail.
the orioles are rebuilding, they got a nice piece or two from the marlins for a pitcher too old for their rebuild or that was going to make too much, they got a few things they can gamble on from houston for tejada, they got some nice players already in the draft the past few seasons.
are they using some players that aren't going to be able to help the team later, if it gets better (older players like huff, mora, roberts, whoever. some of them they would have to pay anyway)? sure. somebody has to play. are all of those pitchers they are using now going to make it? of course not? are they helping the team lose? yes.
everybody patted milwaukee and tampa bay on the head for doing the same thing. it took the orioles a long time to see the light, i guess. but they will get there. eventually, top talent will bring results.
April 23, 2009 at 06:49PM View BBCode
this is acceptable, if they want to someday be good. tampa bay and milwaukee, to name just two, got themselves some awesomes from the draft by sucking. the orioles can do the same thing, no?it is the same as simd, the fake players are trying to win. the real players on bad teams are trying to win. but the general manager, the vice president, whoever is running the team, can set the team up to phail.
the orioles are rebuilding, they got a nice piece or two from the marlins for a pitcher too old for their rebuild or that was going to make too much, they got a few things they can gamble on from houston for tejada, they got some nice players already in the draft the past few seasons.
are they using some players that aren't going to be able to help the team later, if it gets better (older players like huff, mora, roberts, whoever. some of them they would have to pay anyway)? sure. somebody has to play. are all of those pitchers they are using now going to make it? of course not? are they helping the team lose? yes.
everybody patted milwaukee and tampa bay on the head for doing the same thing. it took the orioles a long time to see the light, i guess. but they will get there. eventually, top talent will bring results.
happy
I mean, they got so many players on good salaries. they are getting more wins than they are paying for, why not spend the money to get the wins to put them over the top?
April 23, 2009 at 08:14PM View BBCode
Orioles already have a lot of good pieces, if they spent the money on improving 1B/DH, 3B, and the starting pitching staff (promote the guy they drafted last season, get a couple of mediocre starters, and maybe a stud pitcher), they could contend right now.I mean, they got so many players on good salaries. they are getting more wins than they are paying for, why not spend the money to get the wins to put them over the top?
happy
(also: mariners, not marlins.)
[Edited on 4-23-2009 by happy]
April 23, 2009 at 08:15PM View BBCode
they are a stars and scrubs team, just like the rays in 07. then they added the pitchers and the shortstop and made the world series.(also: mariners, not marlins.)
[Edited on 4-23-2009 by happy]
dirtdevil
so to summarize, other than the fact that the offence isn't good enough, and the starting pitching isn't good enough, they're contenders?
April 23, 2009 at 08:19PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Orioles already have a lot of good pieces, if they spent the money on improving 1B/DH, 3B, and the starting pitching staff (promote the guy they drafted last season, get a couple of mediocre starters, and maybe a stud pitcher), they could contend right now.
so to summarize, other than the fact that the offence isn't good enough, and the starting pitching isn't good enough, they're contenders?
tm4559
the thing about the orioles is, it just isn't as bad as it looks from the outside. baltimore is a great baseball town really.
they have a beautiful ballpark. the folks that work there are really very nice, the seats are not expensive, and they're readily available. the concessions are great, reasonably priced, and to top that off, the management doesn't mind what you bring in with you to eat or drink, if it is not breakable (you can't bring in beer, of course). but little coolers you can carry that fit under the seat, you can bring in soda, food, what have you. nobody takes a hard line on that like they do over in DC.
and you can go out to the little areas behind the seats and smoke, freaking anti-tobacco mania hasn't quite set in completely in baltimore (i still could last year, i am hoping you still can anyway).
so the yankees and the red sox spend, spend, spend. big deal. baltimore is getting its share of that luxury tax money, they can use it to help pay for contracts for the nice young players they have, and are going to get. things just aren't that terrible. it doesn't hurt to see the glass half full.
April 23, 2009 at 08:25PM View BBCode
i always call the mariners by the wrong name happy. it isn't intentional.the thing about the orioles is, it just isn't as bad as it looks from the outside. baltimore is a great baseball town really.
they have a beautiful ballpark. the folks that work there are really very nice, the seats are not expensive, and they're readily available. the concessions are great, reasonably priced, and to top that off, the management doesn't mind what you bring in with you to eat or drink, if it is not breakable (you can't bring in beer, of course). but little coolers you can carry that fit under the seat, you can bring in soda, food, what have you. nobody takes a hard line on that like they do over in DC.
and you can go out to the little areas behind the seats and smoke, freaking anti-tobacco mania hasn't quite set in completely in baltimore (i still could last year, i am hoping you still can anyway).
so the yankees and the red sox spend, spend, spend. big deal. baltimore is getting its share of that luxury tax money, they can use it to help pay for contracts for the nice young players they have, and are going to get. things just aren't that terrible. it doesn't hurt to see the glass half full.
tm4559
April 23, 2009 at 08:32PM View BBCode
oh, and you can drive there, and you can park close by. and the parking is not wildly expensive like it is for the nationals. and there are great places to go nearby. and you can take the commuter train from DC to the game if you want to, for cheaps.
tm4559
April 23, 2009 at 08:34PM View BBCode
and the orioles are going to get a better draft pick than stupid toronto. which isn't going to sniff anything resembling the playoffs.
dirtdevil
which would matter more if the baseball draft was somewhat less of a crap shoot.
April 23, 2009 at 08:37PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
and the orioles are going to get a better draft pick than stupid toronto. which isn't going to sniff anything resembling the playoffs.
which would matter more if the baseball draft was somewhat less of a crap shoot.
happy
Brian Matusz (hopefully), Matt Wieters, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, Brian Roberts
Huff and Scott arent stars, but they are very very good, and certainly dont need replacing.
I think if one hitter were added to the lineup (to take over for mora, or to be put at DH rather than Felix Pie being put in LF and Luke Scott at DH), Mark Texiera, Pat Burrell, or Adam Dunn wouldve done the trick from the past off season, a CC Sabathia quality SP, and a few mid level SPs, their team would compete this year. but they didnt do that.
April 23, 2009 at 08:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Who the hell do you think the stars are?
Brian Matusz (hopefully), Matt Wieters, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, Brian Roberts
Huff and Scott arent stars, but they are very very good, and certainly dont need replacing.
I think if one hitter were added to the lineup (to take over for mora, or to be put at DH rather than Felix Pie being put in LF and Luke Scott at DH), Mark Texiera, Pat Burrell, or Adam Dunn wouldve done the trick from the past off season, a CC Sabathia quality SP, and a few mid level SPs, their team would compete this year. but they didnt do that.
happy
thats true. At new yankees stadium, the face value for the tickets that my dad has is 1200 dollars a piece. my dad's tickets are only 45 bucks.
April 23, 2009 at 08:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
the thing about the orioles is, it just isn't as bad as it looks from the outside. baltimore is a great baseball town really.
they have a beautiful ballpark. the folks that work there are really very nice, the seats are not expensive, and they're readily available. the concessions are great, reasonably priced, and to top that off, the management doesn't mind what you bring in with you to eat or drink, if it is not breakable (you can't bring in beer, of course). but little coolers you can carry that fit under the seat, you can bring in soda, food, what have you. nobody takes a hard line on that like they do over in DC.
and you can go out to the little areas behind the seats and smoke, freaking anti-tobacco mania hasn't quite set in completely in baltimore (i still could last year, i am hoping you still can anyway).
so the yankees and the red sox spend, spend, spend. big deal. baltimore is getting its share of that luxury tax money, they can use it to help pay for contracts for the nice young players they have, and are going to get. things just aren't that terrible. it doesn't hurt to see the glass half full.
thats true. At new yankees stadium, the face value for the tickets that my dad has is 1200 dollars a piece. my dad's tickets are only 45 bucks.