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happy
Either way, it doesnt matter, there is no question that the QB is the most important person on the field. But that is of course why they come with the biggest pricetag. The marginal difference between Favre and Clemens, and between Faneca and Revolving Door #1 (or whatever their old guard was called) are probably similar, because their old guard was THAT bad. there are other people on the team who are equally as terrible.
From Bill Barnwell (my favorite FO writer): "As we?ve discussed previously, the problem with the Jets last year wasn?t their quarterback. It was an offensive line that leaked pass rushers, a defensive line unable to stop the run, and a group of linebackers who didn?t fit the defense they played for. Will Favre be an upgrade on Pennington or Clemens? Sure. Will it be enough to make a huge difference, justify his salary and the displacement of another large salary, and the media swell that follows? No. Brett Favre can?t stop offensive linemen from setting up shop three yards in front of the line of scrimmage, he can?t get to Chad Henne, and unless he?s really been working on his jumping ability, he can?t stop Randy Moss. And that?s what the Jets need. Getting Favre isn?t going to hurt them, but it?s not a magic tonic by any means."
Yet again, I cant stress this enough...Packers last season:
Lowest adjusted sacks allowed.
Highest Yards after Catch.
Relied largely on slant routes
QB is always a major factor in any passing statistic, including YAC and adjusted sacks allowed, but its pretty clearly indicative of a good scheme, and good players around him that most likely boosted his stats significantly. I mean, unless you think Favre is the most mobile QB in the NFL, and is the most major reason for the adjusted sack rate.
Also, dirtdevil, arent you canadian? Pfft...Canadians dont know about football.
August 11, 2008 at 07:34PM View BBCode
In response to the "keeping the defense off the field", I havent seen any article about whether or not "keeping the defense off the field" actually has a positive effect on the defense. (remember, the opposing offense is getting rested too), I would assume that it most likely does. But im curious as to how much. Anyone seen an article about this? (note, if its "number of points as compared to time of posession", dont waste my time)Either way, it doesnt matter, there is no question that the QB is the most important person on the field. But that is of course why they come with the biggest pricetag. The marginal difference between Favre and Clemens, and between Faneca and Revolving Door #1 (or whatever their old guard was called) are probably similar, because their old guard was THAT bad. there are other people on the team who are equally as terrible.
From Bill Barnwell (my favorite FO writer): "As we?ve discussed previously, the problem with the Jets last year wasn?t their quarterback. It was an offensive line that leaked pass rushers, a defensive line unable to stop the run, and a group of linebackers who didn?t fit the defense they played for. Will Favre be an upgrade on Pennington or Clemens? Sure. Will it be enough to make a huge difference, justify his salary and the displacement of another large salary, and the media swell that follows? No. Brett Favre can?t stop offensive linemen from setting up shop three yards in front of the line of scrimmage, he can?t get to Chad Henne, and unless he?s really been working on his jumping ability, he can?t stop Randy Moss. And that?s what the Jets need. Getting Favre isn?t going to hurt them, but it?s not a magic tonic by any means."
Yet again, I cant stress this enough...Packers last season:
Lowest adjusted sacks allowed.
Highest Yards after Catch.
Relied largely on slant routes
QB is always a major factor in any passing statistic, including YAC and adjusted sacks allowed, but its pretty clearly indicative of a good scheme, and good players around him that most likely boosted his stats significantly. I mean, unless you think Favre is the most mobile QB in the NFL, and is the most major reason for the adjusted sack rate.
Also, dirtdevil, arent you canadian? Pfft...Canadians dont know about football.
happy
August 11, 2008 at 07:37PM View BBCode
Oh, also, using the extremely liberal approach to QB influencing everything, all of the players who play on offense and defense affect every single play in the game.
whiskybear
August 11, 2008 at 07:39PM View BBCode
What about Space Camp? Couldn't that be potentially dangerous?
Hamilton2
Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were meaning that I had made the fallacy and didn't find one ... Thanks.
August 11, 2008 at 07:41PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
not you good sir. FG. He pointed out i used the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy, which must mean that he thinks I am trying to deductively prove my point of view by appealing to authority.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were meaning that I had made the fallacy and didn't find one ... Thanks.
dirtdevil
but our opinions about baseball are acceptable? that's beyond inconsistent. not to mention silly.
August 11, 2008 at 07:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Also, dirtdevil, arent you canadian? Pfft...Canadians dont know about football.
but our opinions about baseball are acceptable? that's beyond inconsistent. not to mention silly.
Bones2484
How would you get him in though? I thought you could only win a spot from 1990's Nickelodeon game shows?
August 11, 2008 at 07:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
What about Space Camp? Couldn't that be potentially dangerous?
How would you get him in though? I thought you could only win a spot from 1990's Nickelodeon game shows?
Hamilton2
lol ... this is true ... I suppose I could ammend by emphasizing "touches the ball every play" but then I would have the QB and Center being the most important! lol
Still, it's painfully obvious that QB is the most important single position in any professional team sport. This cannot be stated more simply.
Will Faneca make a bigger difference than Favre? I don't know. I do know that the combination of the 2 moves will vastly improve the Jet offense. Faneca was an integral part of a Steelers O-line that enabled Willie Parker to be among the league's rushing leaders the past few seasons. He's a very good lineman.
I suppose that you and I will just have to agree to disagree about FO. I do my own analysis and it has served me well. Most of the time, they seem consumed with circular reasoning and arguments that are impossible to prove.
August 11, 2008 at 07:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Oh, also, using the extremely liberal approach to QB influencing everything, all of the players who play on offense and defense affect every single play in the game.
lol ... this is true ... I suppose I could ammend by emphasizing "touches the ball every play" but then I would have the QB and Center being the most important! lol
Still, it's painfully obvious that QB is the most important single position in any professional team sport. This cannot be stated more simply.
Will Faneca make a bigger difference than Favre? I don't know. I do know that the combination of the 2 moves will vastly improve the Jet offense. Faneca was an integral part of a Steelers O-line that enabled Willie Parker to be among the league's rushing leaders the past few seasons. He's a very good lineman.
I suppose that you and I will just have to agree to disagree about FO. I do my own analysis and it has served me well. Most of the time, they seem consumed with circular reasoning and arguments that are impossible to prove.
FuriousGiorge
No, the kids come back safe and sound in that one.
August 11, 2008 at 07:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
What about Space Camp? Couldn't that be potentially dangerous?
No, the kids come back safe and sound in that one.
happy
no, your opinion about baseball isnt acceptable either. :P
I agree, QB is very important. but Clemens wasnt terrible, nor was Pennington.
I dont think FO is great. its not even close to as good as BP, thats for sure. (but BP had a 25 year head start, and baseball is easier to analyze) I think Barnewll is awesome, and Shultz and Tanier are generally decently good. Michael whatever his middle name is Smith really annoys me and doesnt know what he is talking about.
August 11, 2008 at 07:57PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by happy
Also, dirtdevil, arent you canadian? Pfft...Canadians dont know about football.
but our opinions about baseball are acceptable? that's beyond inconsistent. not to mention silly.
no, your opinion about baseball isnt acceptable either. :P
Originally posted by Hamilton2
Originally posted by happy
Oh, also, using the extremely liberal approach to QB influencing everything, all of the players who play on offense and defense affect every single play in the game.
lol ... this is true ... I suppose I could ammend by emphasizing "touches the ball every play" but then I would have the QB and Center being the most important! lol
Still, it's painfully obvious that QB is the most important single position in any professional team sport. This cannot be stated more simply.
Will Faneca make a bigger difference than Favre? I don't know. I do know that the combination of the 2 moves will vastly improve the Jet offense. Faneca was an integral part of a Steelers O-line that enabled Willie Parker to be among the league's rushing leaders the past few seasons. He's a very good lineman.
I suppose that you and I will just have to agree to disagree about FO. I do my own analysis and it has served me well. Most of the time, they seem consumed with circular reasoning and arguments that are impossible to prove.
I agree, QB is very important. but Clemens wasnt terrible, nor was Pennington.
I dont think FO is great. its not even close to as good as BP, thats for sure. (but BP had a 25 year head start, and baseball is easier to analyze) I think Barnewll is awesome, and Shultz and Tanier are generally decently good. Michael whatever his middle name is Smith really annoys me and doesnt know what he is talking about.
whiskybear
August 11, 2008 at 07:58PM View BBCode
I can think of someone else who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Hamilton2
Now now ... I resent that ...
August 11, 2008 at 08:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
I can think of someone else who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Now now ... I resent that ...
whiskybear
[Edited on 8-11-2008 by whiskybear]
August 11, 2008 at 08:02PM View BBCode
Wow, you both went there. Advantage Hamilton for being self-deprecating.[Edited on 8-11-2008 by whiskybear]
FuriousGiorge
August 11, 2008 at 08:08PM View BBCode
Textbook. See Happy, this is why we like the Hamilton weirdo and.....well, you can figure out the rest.
Hamilton2
So ... anyone want to make a Super Bowl prediction?
August 11, 2008 at 08:09PM View BBCode
:spin:So ... anyone want to make a Super Bowl prediction?
happy
and me? well thanks for that. Nice to get a compliment every once in a while.
August 11, 2008 at 08:11PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Textbook. See Happy, this is why we like the Hamilton weirdo and.....well, you can figure out the rest.
and me? well thanks for that. Nice to get a compliment every once in a while.
whiskybear
August 11, 2008 at 08:24PM View BBCode
It's so unlike you to make an obvious and cheap gay joke.
barterer2002
August 11, 2008 at 08:26PM View BBCode
You know in all this "analysis" we've neglected the major reason that will keep the Jets out of the playoffs.
happy
also, if the packers scored 47 does that mean that Favre didnt score a TD on every posession, or does it mean that there were some safties and 2 point conversions in there?
August 11, 2008 at 08:27PM View BBCode
Tony Homo is gay.also, if the packers scored 47 does that mean that Favre didnt score a TD on every posession, or does it mean that there were some safties and 2 point conversions in there?
happy
haha. The curse. Ray Lewis avoided the curse. All the other players were either overrated players (generally speed QBs), injury prone, or players due for a decline (like curse of 370 players and such). Faulk being the most major exception. Note, ME told me that, i havent actually done my own analysis.
[Edited on 8-11-2008 by happy]
August 11, 2008 at 08:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
You know in all this "analysis" we've neglected the major reason that will keep the Jets out of the playoffs.
haha. The curse. Ray Lewis avoided the curse. All the other players were either overrated players (generally speed QBs), injury prone, or players due for a decline (like curse of 370 players and such). Faulk being the most major exception. Note, ME told me that, i havent actually done my own analysis.
[Edited on 8-11-2008 by happy]
barterer2002
I think this is what you meant
August 11, 2008 at 08:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Tony Homo is gay.
also, if the J-E-T-S scored 47 does that mean that Favre didnt score a TD on every posession, or does it mean that there were some safties and 2 point conversions in there?
I think this is what you meant
FuriousGiorge
"All of the other players were either A) alive or B) dead, with Eddie George being the big exception (zombie)"
August 11, 2008 at 08:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
All the other players were either overrated players (generally speed QBs), injury prone, or players due for a decline (like curse of 370 players and such). Faulk being the most major exception.
"All of the other players were either A) alive or B) dead, with Eddie George being the big exception (zombie)"