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Tyles
July 08, 2010 at 05:09PM View BBCode
It should be Aias. He was the baddest censored in the Iliad.
(Eric)
Yea, I think almost all teams have an academy now, it's just a question of the quality in those academies and convincing parents that this is the best path for their kids, all that jazz. It's a process, obviously. New York Red Bulls aren't going to have a system on par with "La Masia", or whatever, overnight.
(yes, lol cross overs times a thousand)
((Ajax is very fun to say, yes.))
July 08, 2010 at 05:11PM View BBCode
Originally posted by drew
Originally posted by (Eric)
There have been steps toward creating some equivalent to the academy system within the United States, but any improvement will require an increase in the quality of MLS (in terms of players and coaching).
I think almost all the MLS teams have an academy now. I know the Galaxy do, and they have rubbed a lot of local high school coaches the wrong way by not letting the kids they have play high school soccer. In fact, my high school coach just quit after like 20 years of coaching and I think it was about 80% because two of his best players got swooped by the Galaxy Academy.
(And lol, "cross overs")
Yea, I think almost all teams have an academy now, it's just a question of the quality in those academies and convincing parents that this is the best path for their kids, all that jazz. It's a process, obviously. New York Red Bulls aren't going to have a system on par with "La Masia", or whatever, overnight.
(yes, lol cross overs times a thousand)
((Ajax is very fun to say, yes.))
(Eric)
July 12, 2010 at 02:03AM View BBCode
Less of a dickface than Mark Van Bommel, probably marginally more of a dickface than Arjen Robben.
(Eric)
July 12, 2010 at 02:05AM View BBCode
Actually, no, that's harsh on Robben. De Jong is a definitive second in the dickface standings.
drew
July 12, 2010 at 02:06AM View BBCode
Nah, I still rate Robben ahead in dickishness. I am so happy Spain won. Man. Iniesta knows how to make sure deserving teams get results in the last seconds.
(Eric)
Iniesta is a not-so-minor deity, yes.
July 12, 2010 at 02:09AM View BBCode
See, the thing is that Robben only poses physical harm to himself. De Jong will eventually kill somebody, and Van Bommel will ask the ref that it be only a yellow. And so it will somehow be only a yellow.Iniesta is a not-so-minor deity, yes.
FuriousGiorge
July 12, 2010 at 02:09AM View BBCode
I definitely feel vindicated in my anti-Dutch stance. They were a supremely hateable team.
Tyles
July 12, 2010 at 03:52AM View BBCode
Thrilled with the result, but the officiating in that game was a disaster. (Obviously.)
(Eric)
[Edited on 7-12-2010 by (Eric)]
July 12, 2010 at 04:15AM View BBCode
It was a tough game to keep control of, as Holland's strategy focused around kicking the hell out of the Spanish in order to prevent there from being much of a flow (so both sides were always going to get upset about everything), but Webb certainly could have done much better. I'd have liked for the Japanese dude (who was apparently the fourth official) to have gotten the final, although that might have allowed Van Bommel to kill Xavi.[Edited on 7-12-2010 by (Eric)]
drew
July 12, 2010 at 04:33AM View BBCode
I didn't think Webb did too bad a job, really. His choices were either send someone off early and put a huge stamp on the game, or try to just give everyone a little bit of leeway and hope it never really goes too far. Webb picked the first option, and the only times it really boiled over was the De Jong challenge, and the one where Van Bommel came in late on Iniesta (again) and Iniesta (understandably) bumped him back in retaliation.
Tyles
(But yeah, the Dutch are bitches and thank god they lost.)
July 12, 2010 at 04:40AM View BBCode
And the balance of cards against the Netherlands bears that out. Webb set the stage early with that string of cards beginning in the 16th minute -- he was issuing them correctly, but in order to be consistent it was obvious he was going to be taking the card out of his pocket a lot. I don't think he misused the yellow card, despite the fact that he more than doubled the previous record of yellow cards issued in a World Cup final (14 v. 6, and we were rooting for him to put his own record out of reach once he hit about 9). I'd have just preferred he keep the cards in reserve early, and just call fouls instead. It got out of control pretty fast.(But yeah, the Dutch are bitches and thank god they lost.)
(Eric)
July 12, 2010 at 04:46AM View BBCode
I thought he let them get away with quite a bit (there were a ton of cards, obviously, but it was impossible for there not to be). I guess that was always going to happen with an English referee, but like I said, he was put in a very difficult position. With the way things went, he was going to be accused of ruining the game no matter what.
(Eric)
And the balance of cards against the Netherlands bears that out. Webb set the stage early with that string of cards beginning in the 16th minute -- he was issuing them correctly, but in order to be consistent it was obvious he was going to be taking the card out of his pocket a lot. I don't think he misused the yellow card, despite the fact that he more than doubled the previous record of yellow cards issued in a World Cup final (14 v. 6, and we were rooting for him to put his own record out of reach once he hit about 9). I'd have just preferred he keep the cards in reserve early, and just call fouls instead. It got out of control pretty fast.
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Eh, there were a lot of situations where he called a player ever and told him "no more", but at some point his hesitance to make a real mark on the game became obvious. He was sort of quick with the yellow card early on, in an attempt to gain some sort of control, but I think it was clear that he was extremely unlikely to ever give out a straight red. Even the second yellow to Heitinga seemed to be given only out of sheer necessity.
July 12, 2010 at 04:53AM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Tyles[/i]
And the balance of cards against the Netherlands bears that out. Webb set the stage early with that string of cards beginning in the 16th minute -- he was issuing them correctly, but in order to be consistent it was obvious he was going to be taking the card out of his pocket a lot. I don't think he misused the yellow card, despite the fact that he more than doubled the previous record of yellow cards issued in a World Cup final (14 v. 6, and we were rooting for him to put his own record out of reach once he hit about 9). I'd have just preferred he keep the cards in reserve early, and just call fouls instead. It got out of control pretty fast.
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Eh, there were a lot of situations where he called a player ever and told him "no more", but at some point his hesitance to make a real mark on the game became obvious. He was sort of quick with the yellow card early on, in an attempt to gain some sort of control, but I think it was clear that he was extremely unlikely to ever give out a straight red. Even the second yellow to Heitinga seemed to be given only out of sheer necessity.
drew
July 12, 2010 at 04:53AM View BBCode
Only one person got sent off (although none of De Jong, Van Bommel, or Puyol would have been able to complain much had they been sent off as well), and nobody got injured too badly, and I think that is about as good as we could have hoped for from a ref in that game.
(Eric)
July 12, 2010 at 04:55AM View BBCode
Robben not going down as Puyol attempted to impede his path was among the weirdest things to ever happen.
drew
I am pretty sure De Jong would have been off had his challenge been any time in the second half. As it was I think he was one foul away from being sent off, and seeing how his only job as a Dutch holding midfielder was to foul, I am surprised he did not get subbed sooner.
July 12, 2010 at 04:56AM View BBCode
Originally posted by (Eric)
I think it was clear that he was extremely unlikely to ever give out a straight red.
I am pretty sure De Jong would have been off had his challenge been any time in the second half. As it was I think he was one foul away from being sent off, and seeing how his only job as a Dutch holding midfielder was to foul, I am surprised he did not get subbed sooner.
drew
Yeah, I mean, I really hate Robben, but I would have no blamed him one bit for going down there. That is just what you are supposed to do. But Robben, the guy who is always on the floor and never fights through a tackle, not going down... so odd.
July 12, 2010 at 04:59AM View BBCode
Originally posted by (Eric)
Robben not going down as Puyol attempted to impede his path was among the weirdest things to ever happen.
Yeah, I mean, I really hate Robben, but I would have no blamed him one bit for going down there. That is just what you are supposed to do. But Robben, the guy who is always on the floor and never fights through a tackle, not going down... so odd.
Tyles
July 12, 2010 at 04:59AM View BBCode
Like I said, he was pretty evenhanded all things considered, and it is just short of a cosmic achievement that only one player was sent off out of those 14 cards issued. Anyway, maybe "disaster" was a bit harsh. I still think he was too rigid too early -- of those first four cards, only one (against twatface Van Bommel) was really justified.
tm4559
man, you should have heard the bar where i was (lots of follks for spain, of course, because eatshit rat eaters) when they showed the replay of thugface van bommell getting cleaned out. it was only slightly less than the cheers for the goal.
July 12, 2010 at 11:00AM View BBCode
Originally posted by drew
I didn't think Webb did too bad a job, really. His choices were either send someone off early and put a huge stamp on the game, or try to just give everyone a little bit of leeway and hope it never really goes too far. Webb picked the first option, and the only times it really boiled over was the De Jong challenge, and the one where Van Bommel came in late on Iniesta (again) and Iniesta (understandably) bumped him back in retaliation.
man, you should have heard the bar where i was (lots of follks for spain, of course, because eatshit rat eaters) when they showed the replay of thugface van bommell getting cleaned out. it was only slightly less than the cheers for the goal.
thatrogue
I will miss the World Cup more than I thought I would.
July 13, 2010 at 09:55PM View BBCode
I saw the words "middle infielders" today and automatically read "midfielder". It took me a few seconds to realize my error.I will miss the World Cup more than I thought I would.
tworoosters
We talked about it at practice last night, the general consensus was that he cost himself having the foul called because no ref in his right mind would believe a foul had occurred without Robben going down.
July 13, 2010 at 10:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by (Eric)
Robben not going down as Puyol attempted to impede his path was among the weirdest things to ever happen.
We talked about it at practice last night, the general consensus was that he cost himself having the foul called because no ref in his right mind would believe a foul had occurred without Robben going down.
drew
July 13, 2010 at 10:31PM View BBCode
Well, I mean, the ref can't give Robben the one-on-one with the keeper, watch Robben botch it, and then give the free kick. That is not how an advantage call works. But he probably could have given Puyol a second yellow once play finally stopped. If anything, Robben's (unsurprisingly) childish reaction made Webb decide, 'eh, screw these pricks'. But I am sure Webb saw Robben getting held up, he just (correctly) decided to play the advantage.Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42