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Tyles
April 23, 2010 at 01:21AM View BBCode
Two thirds to move back 13 spots in the first round is pretty standard. Getting a second-rounder would have been a steal.
thatrogue
2. Cutler has a poor O-Line and no playmakers at receiver (except the rookie they git with the 5th rounder they got from Denver last year).
3. McDaniels did well enough with the defensive FA signings. The screw ups still outweight the successes, though. And why is Nolan leaving, anyway? It's not for a HC job, so something does not seem right. The kid couldn't keep him, either...so that's three personnel losses that make them worse, not better.
April 23, 2010 at 01:26AM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim1. NFL Head Coach does not match my skill set. Clearly, it does not match McDaniels' skill set, either.
Gosh, you're right. Tell ya what, why don't you apply for the job since you seem to know exactly how an NFL organization should be run, and then let me know how that works out?
Cutler was shown last year to be a great talent with little between his ears. I think that is exactly why McDaniels wanted him gone. Orton is great at thinking the game, but lacks the talent that Cutler has. Basically his body can't make the throws that he wants to make in his mind.
Everybody seems to forget the free agency pickups he made last year that turned otu to be very good grabs. He beefed our secondary up with veteran talent, which did allow our front 7 to make mistakes converting from a 4-3 to a 3-4.
My biggest disappointment from last season was actually letting yet another D Coordinator go after 1 season.
2. Cutler has a poor O-Line and no playmakers at receiver (except the rookie they git with the 5th rounder they got from Denver last year).
3. McDaniels did well enough with the defensive FA signings. The screw ups still outweight the successes, though. And why is Nolan leaving, anyway? It's not for a HC job, so something does not seem right. The kid couldn't keep him, either...so that's three personnel losses that make them worse, not better.
thatrogue
April 23, 2010 at 01:27AM View BBCode
Originally posted by TylesMiami got the steal. McDaniels did not...
Two thirds to move back 13 spots in the first round is pretty standard. Getting a second-rounder would have been a steal.
Tyles
April 23, 2010 at 01:35AM View BBCode
But you said it yourself -- they moved back 16 slots and gave up a player. Not sure how good he is, but these are not equivalent deals.
Tyles
April 23, 2010 at 01:36AM View BBCode
(Don't get me wrong, Josh McDaniels is a motherfucking terrible head coach, I am in lockstep with you here. I just don't think those two not deals serve as evidence of that.)
thatrogue
[Edited on 4-23-2010 by thatrogue]
April 23, 2010 at 01:38AM View BBCode
I'm bitter, so everything he does is magnified in my mind.[Edited on 4-23-2010 by thatrogue]
barterer2002
April 23, 2010 at 02:06AM View BBCode
Tebow in the first is going to be a nail in the coffin there Daren
dirtdevil
you're assuming that (a) the broncos don't do any talent evaluation aside from the head coach; and (b) the skill sets of the players he (presumably) evaluated while in new england will somehow change when he gets to denver. both things are pretty nonsensical. seriously, is this really the argument you want to come out in favour of?
[Edited on 4-23-2010 by dirtdevil]
April 23, 2010 at 02:11AM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
I might also add that, if McDaniels was privy to the Patriots scouting reports on both sides of the ball (doubtful, since he was the Offensive Coordinator), it still wouldn't have helped him in Denver, unless you're also saying that the Patriots and Broncos' needs were identical, which they weren't.
you're assuming that (a) the broncos don't do any talent evaluation aside from the head coach; and (b) the skill sets of the players he (presumably) evaluated while in new england will somehow change when he gets to denver. both things are pretty nonsensical. seriously, is this really the argument you want to come out in favour of?
[Edited on 4-23-2010 by dirtdevil]
dirtdevil
April 23, 2010 at 02:23AM View BBCode
you might want to go with the brian dawkins is the dirtiest player ever angle or one of happy's ramblings instead. they make more sense.
barterer2002
April 23, 2010 at 02:26AM View BBCode
No, they don't. nonsense never makes more sense even when compared to nonsense. Its a null game there Deke
dirtdevil
April 23, 2010 at 02:30AM View BBCode
well, yes, i can't dispute that really. i was just trying to make a point about how hugely nonsensical that particular argument was.
shep1582
when jay cutler and kyle orton are your last two QB's, taking a chance on Tebow doesn't look terrible to me.
I think he'll be a good pro QB.
Be sure to hold me to that as the years click forward.
April 23, 2010 at 02:35AM View BBCode
there's nothing nonsensical about anything the shep says.when jay cutler and kyle orton are your last two QB's, taking a chance on Tebow doesn't look terrible to me.
I think he'll be a good pro QB.
Be sure to hold me to that as the years click forward.
khazim
I'm also seeing maybe some fallout from Goodell's policy in general and the Roethlisberger situation specifically. A lot of character types have gone in this first round.
April 23, 2010 at 02:45AM View BBCode
Far be it for me to inject sense in this very insular groupthink. Skillsets don't change but need does. You may think that you only draft the best talent on the board in any given spot, but I think that has changed. Now, unless there is a player on the board so head and shoulders, in terms of talent, above the best 'need' pick, you pick your need. This draft is pretty indicative of that exact mindset.I'm also seeing maybe some fallout from Goodell's policy in general and the Roethlisberger situation specifically. A lot of character types have gone in this first round.
shep1582
I like the pick though.
They've gotten two very good players...
April 23, 2010 at 02:48AM View BBCode
LMAO @ the Lions fans...I like the pick though.
They've gotten two very good players...
khazim
April 23, 2010 at 02:50AM View BBCode
I thought McCoy was the most NFL ready QB in this draft. I'm not a fan of Bradford. The injuries to his throwing shoulder plus what to me showed his complete inability to improvise when a play breaks down are two very large red flags for me.
dirtdevil
don't worry, you haven't.
this is certainly true. however one would have to assume that an individual capable of being an nfl head coach would remember (or even, shockers, keep notes on) the skills of each of the players he's evaluated so that when he's presented with a new set of needs he can still apply his original evaluations to the new situation. also, presumably his new organization hasn't been picking it's collective behind and has some need-specific evaluations already done, should their new coach be so inept as to require it.
(in other words, your position on this issue is the dumb)
April 23, 2010 at 02:54AM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
Far be it for me to inject sense in this very insular groupthink.
don't worry, you haven't.
Skillsets don't change but need does.
this is certainly true. however one would have to assume that an individual capable of being an nfl head coach would remember (or even, shockers, keep notes on) the skills of each of the players he's evaluated so that when he's presented with a new set of needs he can still apply his original evaluations to the new situation. also, presumably his new organization hasn't been picking it's collective behind and has some need-specific evaluations already done, should their new coach be so inept as to require it.
(in other words, your position on this issue is the dumb)
khazim
April 23, 2010 at 03:00AM View BBCode
Did you bother taking notice of Shanahan and his drafts? They were miserable. Either this makes Shanahan a terrible head coach (hint: he's not) or the scouting department sucked in Denver. The only draft Shanny had that had more than one player remain with the team for three years was the '06 draft with Cutler, Marshall, and Scheffler.
khazim
One thing we fans in Denver learned is to never presume when it came to Shanahan controlling their draft.
April 23, 2010 at 03:14AM View BBCode
I'm directly contradicting you when you said:also, presumably his new organization hasn't been picking it's collective behind and has some need-specific evaluations already done, should their new coach be so inept as to require it.
One thing we fans in Denver learned is to never presume when it came to Shanahan controlling their draft.