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barterer2002
Not the worst selection by the VC of course but enough that I'll take back any defense I've been making of them of late.
Joe Gordon in the HOF
December 08, 2008 at 10:38PM View BBCode
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gordojo01.shtmlNot the worst selection by the VC of course but enough that I'll take back any defense I've been making of them of late.
whiskybear
(I thought this was a joke thread when I clicked it.)
December 08, 2008 at 10:40PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml]Dick Allen[/url] was the only guy on their list who has a real case.(I thought this was a joke thread when I clicked it.)
dirtdevil
you mean it isn't?
December 08, 2008 at 10:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
(I thought this was a joke thread when I clicked it.)
you mean it isn't?
barterer2002
I'm afraid not.
December 08, 2008 at 10:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by whiskybear
(I thought this was a joke thread when I clicked it.)
you mean it isn't?
I'm afraid not.
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2008 at 11:20PM View BBCode
He lost a decent amount of his career to the war and played in difficult parks to hit. You guys are underrating him.
whiskybear
No one's underrating him.
December 08, 2008 at 11:38PM View BBCode
Also, the war? Two years, Craig. He also enjoyed his best year in 1942, facing inferior competition because of the war.No one's underrating him.
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2008 at 11:40PM View BBCode
I'll underrate you! (he really was a better player than most of you are giving him credit for)
whiskybear
[Edited on 12-8-2008 by whiskybear]
December 08, 2008 at 11:43PM View BBCode
I will give Joe Gordon the full credit that he deserves for being a good second baseman -- even a very good one, considering that era and what was expected of middle infielders. He doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, and Dick Allen (probably) does.[Edited on 12-8-2008 by whiskybear]
FuriousGiorge
Gordon was an okay choice. Not many people were really clamoring for him, but I doubt anyone will really be up-in-arms about him either. In context, I think his career is better than it looks at first glance, but it was also really short. There's enough really atrocious HOFers that he'll sort of disappear into the crowd, he certainly isn't a stand-out among that group.
December 08, 2008 at 11:49PM View BBCode
I didn't know Allen was a pet cause of yours. I love me some Dick Allen (I'm somewhat lukewarm about his HOF case, though).Gordon was an okay choice. Not many people were really clamoring for him, but I doubt anyone will really be up-in-arms about him either. In context, I think his career is better than it looks at first glance, but it was also really short. There's enough really atrocious HOFers that he'll sort of disappear into the crowd, he certainly isn't a stand-out among that group.
whiskybear
He's not. But he put up very good (in some cases elite) numbers in a decade that was pretty rough on hitters, and his reputation as a bit of a jerk (or, if you'd prefer, as one of those lazy coloreds) probably cost him any consideration he may have deserved. His short career (and the bizarre circumstances surrounding his retirement) also cost him.
He's very borderline, which is what the Veteran's Committee is sort of all about, but I think he had the best case among the candidates.
December 08, 2008 at 11:58PM View BBCode
I didn't know Allen was a pet cause of yours.
He's not. But he put up very good (in some cases elite) numbers in a decade that was pretty rough on hitters, and his reputation as a bit of a jerk (or, if you'd prefer, as one of those lazy coloreds) probably cost him any consideration he may have deserved. His short career (and the bizarre circumstances surrounding his retirement) also cost him.
He's very borderline, which is what the Veteran's Committee is sort of all about, but I think he had the best case among the candidates.
FuriousGiorge
Uppity
Short career
Indifferent defender
My guess is, he'll get in eventually. His numbers really are awfully good, and a lot of the extracurricular stuff will be forgotten with time.
December 09, 2008 at 12:04AM View BBCode
The things that keep Allen out, from most important to least:Uppity
Short career
Indifferent defender
My guess is, he'll get in eventually. His numbers really are awfully good, and a lot of the extracurricular stuff will be forgotten with time.
whiskybear
This is why, quite honestly, I'm surprised he's not a pet cause of yours. Come on, Craig, he's a brother.
December 09, 2008 at 12:11AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
The things that keep Allen out, from most important to least:
Uppity
This is why, quite honestly, I'm surprised he's not a pet cause of yours. Come on, Craig, he's a brother.
FuriousGiorge
I do like Dick Allen quite a bit, or at least I think he's really interesting. I just think there are better players who aren't in the Hall.
December 09, 2008 at 12:33AM View BBCode
Just like me.I do like Dick Allen quite a bit, or at least I think he's really interesting. I just think there are better players who aren't in the Hall.
FuriousGiorge
December 09, 2008 at 01:15AM View BBCode
18 posts in, and we've already crossed the Rubicon.
happy
if you let a guy in who shouldnt be in the HOF, his name better at least be Rabbit Maranville or Phil Rizzuto. Not Joe censored or whatever this guys name was.
December 09, 2008 at 01:22AM View BBCode
Ive never heard of him. and his name is too basic.if you let a guy in who shouldnt be in the HOF, his name better at least be Rabbit Maranville or Phil Rizzuto. Not Joe censored or whatever this guys name was.
bobcat73
not him.
December 09, 2008 at 01:26AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Jim Rice?
not him.
barterer2002
The definitive argument.
December 09, 2008 at 01:27AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Ive never heard of him. .
The definitive argument.
happy
but you'd think i wouldve...heard of him...
December 09, 2008 at 01:29AM View BBCode
im honestly pretty weak on my pre 1990s baseball history outside of hall of fame players though.but you'd think i wouldve...heard of him...
barterer2002
I would never have guessed. Do they not have video games of pre 1990 players?
December 09, 2008 at 01:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
im honestly pretty weak on my pre 1990s baseball history outside of hall of fame players though.
I would never have guessed. Do they not have video games of pre 1990 players?
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