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thatrogue
We can debate whether he merited induction, but I'm certainly happy for him. It feels good to see him recognized for the impact he had on Denver, from a football perspective. Congrats, Floyd!
Congratulations, Floyd!
February 07, 2010 at 06:37PM View BBCode
So I figured I'd take a moment to post about [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LittFl00.htm]Floyd Little[/url] [url=http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14350777]being selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame[/url]. This is the first NFL player I ever recall seeing play on TV, and the odd thing is I wasn't even grade school age when he retired. But for some reason he was my favorite player on my favorite team before I knew much about the game itself.We can debate whether he merited induction, but I'm certainly happy for him. It feels good to see him recognized for the impact he had on Denver, from a football perspective. Congrats, Floyd!
Tyles
February 07, 2010 at 07:07PM View BBCode
John L. Williams was the first football player I was aware of. I had one of his football cards when I was five or six.
thatrogue
February 07, 2010 at 07:36PM View BBCode
Wow...that was pretty early Tyles. I didn't start collecting baseball cards until I was ten (and never really got into collecting football cards).
Tyles
February 07, 2010 at 07:50PM View BBCode
The strange thing is, I never collected football cards, and I don't know how I came to have it. I started collecting baseball cards in 1989/1990, when I was 7-8. But somehow I had [url=http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4017495]this card[/url], 1987 Topps. I'm sure my dad or a buddy of his gave it to me.
shep1582
FloydLittle::early70'sBroncos::ElvinBethea::Early70'sOilers
a great player on a bad team, who few knew about outside his own town.
February 07, 2010 at 09:44PM View BBCode
Floyd was terrific. How many other Floyd's are in the HOF?FloydLittle::early70'sBroncos::ElvinBethea::Early70'sOilers
a great player on a bad team, who few knew about outside his own town.
albiez
Weird.
February 07, 2010 at 10:49PM View BBCode
Heh, despite living in Virginia at the time, the first awareness I had of an individual football player also came from the 1987 Topps card of a Seattle running back.
Weird.
shep1582
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BaynCr00.htm
February 07, 2010 at 11:32PM View BBCode
craig baynham, a backup RB for the Cowboys, was the first FB card I ever saw.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BaynCr00.htm
Jon
February 08, 2010 at 12:58AM View BBCode
Jerry Rice and John Randle both ended their careers with the Seahawks. That makes me beam with pride.
shep1582
he'll deny it ever happened.
February 08, 2010 at 02:48AM View BBCode
don't mention that to 2roosters, jon.he'll deny it ever happened.
Tyles
HE IS SELLING USED CARS IN VANCOUVER WASHINGTON YOU KNOW.
February 08, 2010 at 04:40AM View BBCode
Originally posted by albiez
Heh, despite living in Virginia at the time, the first awareness I had of an individual football player also came from the 1987 Topps card of a Seattle running back.
Weird.
HE IS SELLING USED CARS IN VANCOUVER WASHINGTON YOU KNOW.
Tyles
February 08, 2010 at 04:45AM View BBCode
(Incidentally, the first football player I was aware of actually PLAYING FOOTBALL was definitely John Elway, because as I've said I was a Broncos fan at age 6 because of a [url=http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4017495]helmet magnet[/url].)
shep1582
John Randall over Charles Haley? I guess Haley was such an unbelievable whacko that voters forget what a destructive defensive force he was. I always thought he was the 2nd best defensive player (behind LT) of his generation. He was the key pass rusher on 5 SB winners.
I'm not saying he belongs, but I'm confident in saying he was better than Randel (no offense, cuz he was a good player). Actually, I'm saying I thought he'd be a 1st ballot HOF'er.
Tell me I'm wrong...
February 08, 2010 at 04:50PM View BBCode
I have definitely changed my opinion, though. The PFHOF has become the Hall of very good players who were good guys who played a long time or were better than the crappy teams they played on and so we'll honor them because they missed out on accolades acuz their teams sucked.John Randall over Charles Haley? I guess Haley was such an unbelievable whacko that voters forget what a destructive defensive force he was. I always thought he was the 2nd best defensive player (behind LT) of his generation. He was the key pass rusher on 5 SB winners.
I'm not saying he belongs, but I'm confident in saying he was better than Randel (no offense, cuz he was a good player). Actually, I'm saying I thought he'd be a 1st ballot HOF'er.
Tell me I'm wrong...
dirtdevil
February 08, 2010 at 05:03PM View BBCode
you're such a homer, sometimes. haley was a very good player. i enojyed watching him in dallas. but his best year there was in 94, when they didn't win, and he was 3rd and 4th on the team in sacks in 92 and 93, respectively. to be fair, he did lead the team by a large margin in '95. he had 6 double-digit sack years and two all-pro seasons. for me, he's a bubble guy. john randle was a 6-time all-pro and had double-digit sacks 10 times, including 8 consecutive years (for the most part) as a defensive tackle. there's not much question he deservers to be in the hall of fame before haley. if it wasn't for haley's rings (which certianly needs to be taken into account) we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
tworoosters
No, I'm fine with that because he simply mentioned that they finished their careers in Seattle and made no attempt to call Rice and Randle "Seahawks" as some others might,
February 08, 2010 at 05:10PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jon
Jerry Rice and John Randle both ended their careers with the Seahawks. That makes me beam with pride.
Originally posted by shep1582
don't mention that to 2roosters, jon.
he'll deny it ever happened.
No, I'm fine with that because he simply mentioned that they finished their careers in Seattle and made no attempt to call Rice and Randle "Seahawks" as some others might,
dirtdevil
February 08, 2010 at 05:13PM View BBCode
so if i might paraphrase, you're ok with calling them 'seahawks' but not 'Seahawks', yes? if the spoken emphasis translates to written form properly?
tworoosters
I'm ok with the mention that they finished their career "with the Seahawks" or "in Seattle" but not with "Jerry Rice was a Seahawk".
It's a fine line .
February 08, 2010 at 05:18PM View BBCode
No.I'm ok with the mention that they finished their career "with the Seahawks" or "in Seattle" but not with "Jerry Rice was a Seahawk".
It's a fine line .
dirtdevil
February 08, 2010 at 05:20PM View BBCode
well, they were, at one point, 'seahawks'. but no one should ever really be referring to them as 'Seahawks', if you take my meaning. rice is a Forty-niner and randle a Viking. i'm probably playing with semantics more than i should, though.
tworoosters
Exactly my point.
shep and my jousting relates to my criticism of him calling Lance Alworth "a Cowboy" in his Warner HOF thread so I think you get my drift.
February 08, 2010 at 05:38PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
well, they were, at one point, 'seahawks'. but no one should ever really be referring to them as 'Seahawks', if you take my meaning.
Exactly my point.
shep and my jousting relates to my criticism of him calling Lance Alworth "a Cowboy" in his Warner HOF thread so I think you get my drift.
shep1582
alworth WAS a cowboy. rice WAS a seahawk.
stop hating and being anti-semantic.
February 08, 2010 at 05:52PM View BBCode
yeah, I'm just teasing tr, and vice versa.alworth WAS a cowboy. rice WAS a seahawk.
stop hating and being anti-semantic.
folifan19
February 08, 2010 at 06:53PM View BBCode
1975 Lynn Swann card. I latched on to him as a favorite player at age 6 because he was a Steeler, and I had a friend named Lynn. Still have that card, along with all my old Steeler cards. Held on th emost of the Cowboys too. Turned out to be a good ides as there are several HOFers.
JLlamas
I also really liked J.J. Stokes, I ended up meeting him after I spilled Mountain Dew on his father.
February 09, 2010 at 01:21AM View BBCode
Tim Biakabutuka was the first football player I rooted for, partially because I was a Panthers fan (I liked the helmets), and also because I played NFL Blitz, and it's a fun name to hear repeatedly when you're 7 years old.I also really liked J.J. Stokes, I ended up meeting him after I spilled Mountain Dew on his father.
thatrogue
February 09, 2010 at 11:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevilFixed
you're such a homer, sometimes. haley was a very good player. i enojyed watching him in dallas. but his best year there was in 94, when they didn't win, and he was 3rd and 4th on the team in sacks in 92 and 93, respectively. to be fair, he did lead the team by a large margin in '95. he had 6 double-digit sack years and two all-pro seasons. for me, he's a bubble guy. john randle was a 6-time all-pro and had double-digit sacks 10 times, including 8 consecutive years (for the most part) as a defensive tackle. there's not much question he deservers to be in the hall of fame before haley. if it wasn't forhaley's rings (which certianly needs to be taken into account)your overwhelming love for all things Cowboy (Dallas NFL version), we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
shep1582
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaleCh00.htm
I thought he was great when he was in SF, and was ecstatic when the Cowboys got him.
?Charles is one of the greatest players of our era,? said 49ers Vice President/General manager/Head Coach Bill Walsh. ?At one point he was considered the best pass rusher in all of football. He?s been a credit to the game and very well could be a Hall of Fame candidate.?
In 1991, the Cowboys had allowed 310 points to finish 17th in the league in defense. After Haley showed up in 1992, the Cowboys were fifth in defense and allowed only 243 points for the season. The only change to the defensive starting roster was Charles Haley.
From an interview with Guy McIntyre:
Haley is the only player to win five Super Bowl rings. That?s not a coincidence, McIntyre said.
?Charles was one of the toughest, smartest people and one of the best teammates I ever had,? he said.
Wait a minute. Best teammates? Haley has a well-earned reputation for acting crazy.
?I didn?t say he wasn?t crazy,?? McIntyre said. ?I didn?t say he didn?t ruffle some feathers. But what Charles did was challenge people. He called his own teammates out. And some people didn?t like that.
?But his theory was, ?If you can?t handle it from me, someone who cares about you, how are you going to handle it when you?re lined up across someone standing in between you and your money????
Haley registered 100.5 career sacks, including 16.0 for the 49ers in 1990. McInytre said that Haley, like Craig, was overshadowed by the likes of Montana, Rice and Steve Young. The same thing happened in Dallas, where offensive stars Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin captured the spotlight.
But in both places, McIntyre said, Haley keyed the defense. ?He brought a whole new mentality,?? he said.
5 Super Bowl rings. He was the havoc maker on all of them. I don't care if you call me a homer. He was a tremendous player.
February 09, 2010 at 03:45PM View BBCode
he had FIVE all pro years, and was first team twice.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaleCh00.htm
I thought he was great when he was in SF, and was ecstatic when the Cowboys got him.
?Charles is one of the greatest players of our era,? said 49ers Vice President/General manager/Head Coach Bill Walsh. ?At one point he was considered the best pass rusher in all of football. He?s been a credit to the game and very well could be a Hall of Fame candidate.?
In 1991, the Cowboys had allowed 310 points to finish 17th in the league in defense. After Haley showed up in 1992, the Cowboys were fifth in defense and allowed only 243 points for the season. The only change to the defensive starting roster was Charles Haley.
From an interview with Guy McIntyre:
Haley is the only player to win five Super Bowl rings. That?s not a coincidence, McIntyre said.
?Charles was one of the toughest, smartest people and one of the best teammates I ever had,? he said.
Wait a minute. Best teammates? Haley has a well-earned reputation for acting crazy.
?I didn?t say he wasn?t crazy,?? McIntyre said. ?I didn?t say he didn?t ruffle some feathers. But what Charles did was challenge people. He called his own teammates out. And some people didn?t like that.
?But his theory was, ?If you can?t handle it from me, someone who cares about you, how are you going to handle it when you?re lined up across someone standing in between you and your money????
Haley registered 100.5 career sacks, including 16.0 for the 49ers in 1990. McInytre said that Haley, like Craig, was overshadowed by the likes of Montana, Rice and Steve Young. The same thing happened in Dallas, where offensive stars Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin captured the spotlight.
But in both places, McIntyre said, Haley keyed the defense. ?He brought a whole new mentality,?? he said.
5 Super Bowl rings. He was the havoc maker on all of them. I don't care if you call me a homer. He was a tremendous player.
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