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shep1582
Pick a team, any team (prolly your fav one) and tell us who your all time team would be.
Avoid HOFers, and guys who will be HOFers (I'll leave off Biggio, Bagwell, and Berkman) and guys who were hired guns for a season or two. Stick to guys who are easily identifiable as playing for your team, even if they moved on (like Cedeno for my Astros). tworoosters can help you you if you need to understand when you can and cannot use a player (see the PFHOF discussion).
Here's my all Astros team:
SP
Roy Oswalt (I don't think he'll rack up the stats needed for the HOF)
J.R. Richard
Mike Scott
Joe "Emory Board" Niekro
Don Wilson
RP
Dave Smith
Joe Sambito
Ken Forsch
Brad Lidge
C
Alan Ashby
Brad Ausmus
Tony Eusebio
1B
Bob Watson
2B
Billy Doran
3B
Ken Caminiti
SS
Dickie Thon (sad that the only guy who stands out at this position had one good season. They've had some gold glove types, like Metzger, but never a top flight SS.)
IF
Glenn Davis
Craig Reynolds
Doug Rader
LF
Jose Cruz
CF
Cesar Cedeno
RF
Jimmy Wynn
OF
Rusty Staub (he was more famous as an Expo, so he's not really on the team)
Terry Puhl
Denny Walling
Richard Hidalgo
(Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee may make the team eventually.)
thebestotherest redeaux
March 05, 2010 at 12:55AM View BBCode
I thoroughly enjoyed the other one, so I thought I'd do it with a different slant.Pick a team, any team (prolly your fav one) and tell us who your all time team would be.
Avoid HOFers, and guys who will be HOFers (I'll leave off Biggio, Bagwell, and Berkman) and guys who were hired guns for a season or two. Stick to guys who are easily identifiable as playing for your team, even if they moved on (like Cedeno for my Astros). tworoosters can help you you if you need to understand when you can and cannot use a player (see the PFHOF discussion).
Here's my all Astros team:
SP
Roy Oswalt (I don't think he'll rack up the stats needed for the HOF)
J.R. Richard
Mike Scott
Joe "Emory Board" Niekro
Don Wilson
RP
Dave Smith
Joe Sambito
Ken Forsch
Brad Lidge
C
Alan Ashby
Brad Ausmus
Tony Eusebio
1B
Bob Watson
2B
Billy Doran
3B
Ken Caminiti
SS
Dickie Thon (sad that the only guy who stands out at this position had one good season. They've had some gold glove types, like Metzger, but never a top flight SS.)
IF
Glenn Davis
Craig Reynolds
Doug Rader
LF
Jose Cruz
CF
Cesar Cedeno
RF
Jimmy Wynn
OF
Rusty Staub (he was more famous as an Expo, so he's not really on the team)
Terry Puhl
Denny Walling
Richard Hidalgo
(Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee may make the team eventually.)
FuriousGiorge
March 05, 2010 at 02:44AM View BBCode
Not to dump on this exercise, but.....why? How many Astros HOFers are there? 3? Why make an all-Astros team and leave off those guys?
shep1582
and the guy who takes the Yankees would have 3 teams of HOF'ers rather than giving some love to roy white, etc.
plus, this is how I started the other thread, so I'll do the same here.
if you wanna do all time teams thread including HOF'ers, go head.
March 05, 2010 at 03:39AM View BBCode
cuz everyone knows those guys.and the guy who takes the Yankees would have 3 teams of HOF'ers rather than giving some love to roy white, etc.
plus, this is how I started the other thread, so I'll do the same here.
if you wanna do all time teams thread including HOF'ers, go head.
FuriousGiorge
March 05, 2010 at 03:58AM View BBCode
It just seems arbitrary. You have an all-time Astros team but no Biggio, no Bagwell, no Nolan Ryan. Imagine an outside observer looking at your team. What the hell is this guy doing? Has he never heard of this Craig Biggio fellow or something?
tworoosters
It's a bit silly with some teams but if you make it the "best of that I've seen play" it probably works, even for the Yankees .
I'll try and find time to do a BlueJays team, don't really have to worry about the long time Jays in the HOF so it's a bit easier but I will use Alomar .
March 05, 2010 at 07:23AM View BBCode
I gotta go with Giorge on this one, I appreciate what you're going for but to me it's foolish to have an Astros "Best of team" without Biggio or Bags.It's a bit silly with some teams but if you make it the "best of that I've seen play" it probably works, even for the Yankees .
I'll try and find time to do a BlueJays team, don't really have to worry about the long time Jays in the HOF so it's a bit easier but I will use Alomar .
BKCUBS13
SP
Charlie Root
Kerry Wood
Rick Reuschel
Carlos Zambrano
Rick Shutcliffe
RP
Lee Smith CL
Randy Myers CL
Kyle Farsworth Setup
Carlos Marmol Setup
C
Jody Davis
Randy Hundley
1B
Mark Grace
Phil Caveretta
2B
Glen Beckert
3B
Ron Santo
Aramis Ramirez
SS
Shawon Dunston
LF
Gary ?Sarge? Matthews
CF
Andy Pafko
RF
Sammy Sosa
March 05, 2010 at 08:28AM View BBCode
I'll do the Cubs, honestly it?s pretty tough when you can?t allow HOFers, must be easy to make those Astos depth charts.SP
Charlie Root
Kerry Wood
Rick Reuschel
Carlos Zambrano
Rick Shutcliffe
RP
Lee Smith CL
Randy Myers CL
Kyle Farsworth Setup
Carlos Marmol Setup
C
Jody Davis
Randy Hundley
1B
Mark Grace
Phil Caveretta
2B
Glen Beckert
3B
Ron Santo
Aramis Ramirez
SS
Shawon Dunston
LF
Gary ?Sarge? Matthews
CF
Andy Pafko
RF
Sammy Sosa
sycophantman
March 05, 2010 at 01:33PM View BBCode
Maybe this is an attempt to keep Yankees fans from contributing, since all Yankees make the HOF eventually.
shep1582
I've been around since game 1.
March 05, 2010 at 02:03PM View BBCode
ummm... I've seen all these Astros play.I've been around since game 1.
dirtdevil
C- Ernie Whitt, Pat Borders
1B- Carlos Delgado, Fred McGriff
2B- Roberto Alomar, Damaso Garcia
3B- Kelly Gruber
SS- Tony Fernandez, Alfredo Griffin
LF- George Bell
CF- Devon White, Lloyd Moesby
RF- Joe Carter, Jesse Barfield
DH- John Olerud
SP- Dave Steib
SP- Roy Halladay
SP- Jimmy Key
SP- Pat Hentgen
SP- David Wells
RP- Tom Henke
RP- Duane Ward
RP- Mike Timlin
RP- Mark Eichorn
RP- Scott Downs
March 05, 2010 at 03:08PM View BBCode
ok, i guess i'll do the jays.C- Ernie Whitt, Pat Borders
1B- Carlos Delgado, Fred McGriff
2B- Roberto Alomar, Damaso Garcia
3B- Kelly Gruber
SS- Tony Fernandez, Alfredo Griffin
LF- George Bell
CF- Devon White, Lloyd Moesby
RF- Joe Carter, Jesse Barfield
DH- John Olerud
SP- Dave Steib
SP- Roy Halladay
SP- Jimmy Key
SP- Pat Hentgen
SP- David Wells
RP- Tom Henke
RP- Duane Ward
RP- Mike Timlin
RP- Mark Eichorn
RP- Scott Downs
tm4559
can you imagine how ugly the cincy contingent is going to be?
March 05, 2010 at 04:41PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
It just seems arbitrary. You have an all-time Astros team but no Biggio, no Bagwell, no Nolan Ryan. Imagine an outside observer looking at your team. What the hell is this guy doing? Has he never heard of this Craig Biggio fellow or something?
can you imagine how ugly the cincy contingent is going to be?
tworoosters
I'm going to axe McGriff, not because he wasn't great but because I just don't identify him with Toronto (he pretty much played 5 years everywhere) and I need a way to get Otto Velez on the team.
So I'm moving Olerud to 1B and using Otto as my DH .
I also hated Kelly Gruber so I'm waiving him and going with the two headed 3B combo of Rance Mullinicks/Garth Iorg just for comedy. For roster integrity they only count as one player.
I'm also dropping Downs, who I assume you had as a situational LHP, and go with an all right handed bullpen by adding Billy Koch .
I tried hard to find a spot for Willie Upshaw but Otto beat him out at DH and I also wanted to have Shannon Stewart there, maybe drop Garcia and have Fredo back up at SS and 2B .
March 05, 2010 at 04:58PM View BBCode
Good list Dirt, you beat me to it.I'm going to axe McGriff, not because he wasn't great but because I just don't identify him with Toronto (he pretty much played 5 years everywhere) and I need a way to get Otto Velez on the team.
So I'm moving Olerud to 1B and using Otto as my DH .
I also hated Kelly Gruber so I'm waiving him and going with the two headed 3B combo of Rance Mullinicks/Garth Iorg just for comedy. For roster integrity they only count as one player.
I'm also dropping Downs, who I assume you had as a situational LHP, and go with an all right handed bullpen by adding Billy Koch .
I tried hard to find a spot for Willie Upshaw but Otto beat him out at DH and I also wanted to have Shannon Stewart there, maybe drop Garcia and have Fredo back up at SS and 2B .
tworoosters
Also can you please do something to ensure that those three turd pitchers don't get into the GNL Hall of Fame ?
I'm getting worried that the general apathy level may allow them to be enshrined and take some of the luster away from Roxy .
March 05, 2010 at 05:30PM View BBCode
Not as special as you though tm .Also can you please do something to ensure that those three turd pitchers don't get into the GNL Hall of Fame ?
I'm getting worried that the general apathy level may allow them to be enshrined and take some of the luster away from Roxy .
tm4559
this is a special year for that fake HOF.
(i would have boycotted the voting altogether had i known Moseby wouldn't make it.)
March 05, 2010 at 05:37PM View BBCode
LOL.this is a special year for that fake HOF.
(i would have boycotted the voting altogether had i known Moseby wouldn't make it.)
FuriousGiorge
March 05, 2010 at 06:16PM View BBCode
Oh, leave them alone, this is a fun exercise. I'd do the O's but I only really know a couple of decades worth of players, so my team would be heavy on the Mark McLemores and the Ben McDonalds and no one wants that.
shep1582
March 05, 2010 at 06:25PM View BBCode
geez dad, you take all the fun out of trading baseball cards with my friends.
folifan19
March 05, 2010 at 06:35PM View BBCode
You know we want it FG. We want Mike Young, Larry Sheets and Mike Boddicker!
folifan19
SP Tom Browning
Joe Nuxhall
Jay Tibbs
Mario Soto
Gary Nolan
RP Rob Dibble
Norm Charlton
Rawley Eastwick
Danny Graves
Jeff "The Mississippi Cowboy" Brantley
1B Hal Morris
Ted Kluszewski
2B Ron Oester
Brandon Phillips
SS Dave Concepcion
Leo Cardenas
3B Chris Sabo
Pete Rose
C Joe Oliver
Jason LaRue
OF Cesar Geronimo
Ken Griffey Sr.
Adam Dunn
Eric Davis
Ryan Freel
March 05, 2010 at 06:53PM View BBCode
Cincinnati RedsSP Tom Browning
Joe Nuxhall
Jay Tibbs
Mario Soto
Gary Nolan
RP Rob Dibble
Norm Charlton
Rawley Eastwick
Danny Graves
Jeff "The Mississippi Cowboy" Brantley
1B Hal Morris
Ted Kluszewski
2B Ron Oester
Brandon Phillips
SS Dave Concepcion
Leo Cardenas
3B Chris Sabo
Pete Rose
C Joe Oliver
Jason LaRue
OF Cesar Geronimo
Ken Griffey Sr.
Adam Dunn
Eric Davis
Ryan Freel
folifan19
Darn skippy there'd be some Billy Ripken...
March 05, 2010 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Oh, there would be some Billy Ripken.
Darn skippy there'd be some Billy Ripken...
tm4559
1b. boog/honorable mention Palmerio
c. elrod hendricks/rick dempsey
2b. davey johnson/SORRY HONORABLE MENTION BILLY RIPKEN
ss. belanger
3b. melvin mora
lf. don buford
cf. paul blair
rf. BJ Surhoff (YES BJ YES! somewhere in the OF)
p flanagan
p dobson
p mcgregor
p dennis and tippy martinez
something like that.
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by tm4559]
March 05, 2010 at 06:55PM View BBCode
orioles?1b. boog/honorable mention Palmerio
c. elrod hendricks/rick dempsey
2b. davey johnson/SORRY HONORABLE MENTION BILLY RIPKEN
ss. belanger
3b. melvin mora
lf. don buford
cf. paul blair
rf. BJ Surhoff (YES BJ YES! somewhere in the OF)
p flanagan
p dobson
p mcgregor
p dennis and tippy martinez
something like that.
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by tm4559]