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tworoosters
Just one more reason positional changes are ludicrous
October 08, 2012 at 09:13PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?statsorimps=imps&id=9908941]Lonnie Johnson[/url] 21/22 year old SS, 7 for 206 in attempting to move to CF.
paulcaraccio
I'd never deny that it shouldn't take so long to learn a position, but I still think it's good for the game. We shouldn't be able to just put anybody anywhere and have them be experts all quick.
October 09, 2012 at 08:35PM View BBCode
would it be better to move him to a corner OF spot first?I'd never deny that it shouldn't take so long to learn a position, but I still think it's good for the game. We shouldn't be able to just put anybody anywhere and have them be experts all quick.
redcped
Just a lot of bad luck?
October 09, 2012 at 09:33PM View BBCode
He should do better with B+ range, shouldn't he? I'd think he'd be a good candidate for that switch, and SS usually convert the best anywhere.Just a lot of bad luck?
tworoosters
Imagine how long it would have taken a Sim Bryce Harper to switch from catcher to CF, five years ? seven ? In reality of course it took him about 2 weeks because he's an athlete and CF has very little technical skill involved.
As long as the sim is going to create things like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130258]3B with D- arms[/url] or [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130228]2B with D- range[/url] then at least make transitions to the OF reasonably short, like maybe less than 162 games ?
October 09, 2012 at 10:08PM View BBCode
I have no problem with illogical positional changes being difficult but this is a 21 year old SS attempting to learn the subtle nuances of CF.Imagine how long it would have taken a Sim Bryce Harper to switch from catcher to CF, five years ? seven ? In reality of course it took him about 2 weeks because he's an athlete and CF has very little technical skill involved.
As long as the sim is going to create things like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130258]3B with D- arms[/url] or [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130228]2B with D- range[/url] then at least make transitions to the OF reasonably short, like maybe less than 162 games ?
WillyD
I'm totally for revamping the player creation process. There should be minimumns based on age and position.
October 10, 2012 at 12:28AM View BBCode
I've noticed the SS to OF coversion myself. Way too slow!I'm totally for revamping the player creation process. There should be minimumns based on age and position.
dabigtrain
October 10, 2012 at 08:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoostersAgree - or, we should be able to set the player's primary position after the draft, the way real baseball teams do... but now, we're in IdeaScale territory.
As long as the sim is going to create things like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130258]3B with D- arms[/url] or [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10130228]2B with D- range[/url] then at least make transitions to the OF reasonably short, like maybe less than 162 games ?
tworoosters
October 15, 2012 at 02:29PM View BBCode
Lonnie's now up to 45% at CF, after only 239 chances.
WillyD
In Lonnie's defense, there are quite a few things to remember when playing the outfield. There's running, there's catching, and umm... there's throwing the ball to the cut-off man, and then there is...well umm...there is... ahh yeah...Can somebody help me out here?
October 16, 2012 at 12:16AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Lonnie's now up to 45% at CF, after only 239 chances.
In Lonnie's defense, there are quite a few things to remember when playing the outfield. There's running, there's catching, and umm... there's throwing the ball to the cut-off man, and then there is...well umm...there is... ahh yeah...Can somebody help me out here?
dabigtrain
October 17, 2012 at 04:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyDIn Lonnie's defense, there are quite a few things to remember when playing the outfield. There's running, there's catching, and umm... there's throwing the ball to the cut-off man, and then there is...well umm...there is... ahh yeah...Can somebody help me out here?There's surreptitiously checking out sunbathers in the bleachers. Difficult skill to master.
tworoosters
Thank goodness this positional change is only "medium" or who knows how long it might take poor Lonnie to figure it out.
October 21, 2012 at 03:58PM View BBCode
Big day for Lonnie, he finally reached the 50% mark at CF in only 293 chances, that's a 3.4% conversion for those of you playing along at home.Thank goodness this positional change is only "medium" or who knows how long it might take poor Lonnie to figure it out.
tworoosters
M = Medium - Its a natural position movement, but takes some time to adjust(2-3 months playing time).
October 21, 2012 at 04:02PM View BBCode
It was asked above if converting to a corner OF position might be quicker, not according to the published [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/posgrid.html]"positional change grid"[/url], which defines "medium" changes as:M = Medium - Its a natural position movement, but takes some time to adjust(2-3 months playing time).
WillyD
I think there is an issue with the conversion formulas. Someone should have Tyson or Chris check it out.
October 22, 2012 at 02:13AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
It was asked above if converting to a corner OF position might be quicker, not according to the published [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/posgrid.html]"positional change grid"[/url], which defines "medium" changes as:
M = Medium - Its a natural position movement, but takes some time to adjust(2-3 months playing time).
I think there is an issue with the conversion formulas. Someone should have Tyson or Chris check it out.
spicoli306
October 22, 2012 at 02:47AM View BBCode
Almost exactly a year ago I made a similar [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=314791#pid1728693]observation/complaint[/url]. Your example is even more egregious. I certainly doubt that the actual game code matches the information given in the FAQ section under the Position Change Grid.
paulcaraccio
October 22, 2012 at 07:24PM View BBCode
"playing time" might be a different thing from minor league position changes, code-wise. meaning if a SS plays 2-3 months in LF in the majors, he'll learn faster than he would in the minors.
tworoosters
To test this theory I brought Lonnie up for one game to play CF, he improved by .8 of a percent, meaning that in the majors it would take him 125 games to convert . That's considerably more than 2-3 months .
October 24, 2012 at 06:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
"playing time" might be a different thing from minor league position changes, code-wise. meaning if a SS plays 2-3 months in LF in the majors, he'll learn faster than he would in the minors.
To test this theory I brought Lonnie up for one game to play CF, he improved by .8 of a percent, meaning that in the majors it would take him 125 games to convert . That's considerably more than 2-3 months .
dirtdevil
October 24, 2012 at 09:59PM View BBCode
does the per game improvement in the majors get bigger as the player gets closer to 100% at the new position or is it linear? i can't remember.
tworoosters
November 05, 2012 at 10:41PM View BBCode
Lonnie finally made it to 90%, it only took 391 minor league chances plus 10 games starting in CF in the majors but he finally made it.
tworoosters
It's another Medium difficulty conversion, you know: Medium - Its a natural position movement, but takes some time to adjust (2-3 months playing time).
So far he's 0/13.
I'll keep you posted.
Got a new one
November 09, 2012 at 04:03PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10152602&statsorimps=imps]Kazuo Mori[/url] is an 18 year old CF whose arm is so bad he needs to hit the cutoff man to get the ball back to the infield so I'm moving him to 1B.It's another Medium difficulty conversion, you know: Medium - Its a natural position movement, but takes some time to adjust (2-3 months playing time).
So far he's 0/13.
I'll keep you posted.
bdavids28
I wish I kept some records of single game tests I've done, but I think I can say for sure that 1B to LF, for instance, is a faster medium than SS to CF in general.
It is possible that this is the way it's supposed to be though, with "medium" just being an oversimplification describing a range - much the way an A+ letter grade could be anywhere from 92-100. (But an even wider scope than that, given that there are only 4 categories to cover all position conversion rates, VH, H, M, E.)
Maybe medium would better be described as 2-6 months, rather than 2-3?
November 10, 2012 at 11:25PM View BBCode
One thing I have experienced, at least in the limited sample size that is "one guy noticing stuff," is that not all "medium" difficulty conversions are created equal.I wish I kept some records of single game tests I've done, but I think I can say for sure that 1B to LF, for instance, is a faster medium than SS to CF in general.
It is possible that this is the way it's supposed to be though, with "medium" just being an oversimplification describing a range - much the way an A+ letter grade could be anywhere from 92-100. (But an even wider scope than that, given that there are only 4 categories to cover all position conversion rates, VH, H, M, E.)
Maybe medium would better be described as 2-6 months, rather than 2-3?
tworoosters
November 10, 2012 at 11:33PM View BBCode
It's possible, and likely, that not all mediums are equal, however none of the mediums should involve over 400 games, as in Johnson's case .
bdavids28
November 10, 2012 at 11:53PM View BBCode
Totally agree on that Roosters...400 games isn't medium for anything, except maybe your average journeyman's career length!
Metsamess
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there's remembering not to swallow your gum or chewing tobacco while running.
Oh, and eye black...very important not to forget to wear eye black.
November 11, 2012 at 05:03PM View BBCode
In Lonnie's defense, there are quite a few things to remember when playing the outfield. There's running, there's catching, and umm... there's throwing the ball to the cut-off man, and then there is...well umm...there is... ahh yeah...Can somebody help me out here?-------
there's remembering not to swallow your gum or chewing tobacco while running.
Oh, and eye black...very important not to forget to wear eye black.
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