 |
View Old Forum Thread
Old Forum Index » Sim Forums » Baseball Enhancements » fix position unlearning
dirtdevil
i'm not sure what the solution is, but there needs to be a way to make sure we don't take position eligibility away from people who are still playing the position with regularity. especially when C is a position that often requires a high eligibility threshold.
fix position unlearning
March 18, 2014 at 04:33AM View BBCode
ok, I understand that players who haven't played a position for some time eventually get to a point where they can't realistically go back. that makes sense. but the positional knowledge deteriorates too quickly and too far when a guy plays a position part of the time. [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10332453&statsorimps=pos]Ross Hutson[/url] is a player of mine in the AML. for the past 5 seasons he has played RF vs rhp and C vs lhp. but now, despite playing 48 and 57 games behind the plate in the past two season, ABE believes he has now forgotten how to play catcher well enough to qualify there. this is patently absurd.i'm not sure what the solution is, but there needs to be a way to make sure we don't take position eligibility away from people who are still playing the position with regularity. especially when C is a position that often requires a high eligibility threshold.
paulcaraccio
March 18, 2014 at 06:31AM View BBCode
I've never understood why you can't maintain 99 or 100 at more than one spot. Abe shouldn't start docking a guy's position grade until he hasn't played there for a certain period of time, like a month or a season.
skierdude44
I think age should be a factor too. A guy in his mid 20's should be able to maintain the athleticism necessary for multiple positions better than a guy in his mid 30's as an example.
As for the OP's player in question, I definitely understand the frustration. He's played over a third of his games at catcher the past two seasons, has never had a season where he didn't play at all at catcher, and was a full time catcher his first 4 seasons. There's no reason he shouldn't still be highly proficient at the position, regardless of his added "knowledge" of how to play RF. I guess the argument can be made that MLB starters don't normally start at one position vs RHP and a different position vs LHP, but I still think the "unlearning" of a position is too drastic in cases where a player still plays some at his old position.
March 18, 2014 at 03:31PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
I've never understood why you can't maintain 99 or 100 at more than one spot. Abe shouldn't start docking a guy's position grade until he hasn't played there for a certain period of time, like a month or a season.
I think age should be a factor too. A guy in his mid 20's should be able to maintain the athleticism necessary for multiple positions better than a guy in his mid 30's as an example.
As for the OP's player in question, I definitely understand the frustration. He's played over a third of his games at catcher the past two seasons, has never had a season where he didn't play at all at catcher, and was a full time catcher his first 4 seasons. There's no reason he shouldn't still be highly proficient at the position, regardless of his added "knowledge" of how to play RF. I guess the argument can be made that MLB starters don't normally start at one position vs RHP and a different position vs LHP, but I still think the "unlearning" of a position is too drastic in cases where a player still plays some at his old position.
Mongrel
Or perhaps some sort of time penalty/bonus or stop point. Say if will take a full season of not playing a position to ever drop below B level. Two seasons to drop below C.
Similar to the way a player hits the maximum of 99% until officially switching make a stop point on the declines as well.
March 19, 2014 at 12:41PM View BBCode
I agree, though I can't think of an easy answer. I feel like the changes should not be linear, meaning the decline at A+ should be much slower than if they were at C.Or perhaps some sort of time penalty/bonus or stop point. Say if will take a full season of not playing a position to ever drop below B level. Two seasons to drop below C.
Similar to the way a player hits the maximum of 99% until officially switching make a stop point on the declines as well.
Admin
Chris
April 12, 2014 at 04:20AM View BBCode
This is one of Tyson's areas but I do think it should be looked at.Chris
paulcaraccio
April 12, 2014 at 08:24AM View BBCode
im just happy to know one of you two still reads the non-Support boards :D
tworoosters
Still it's dumb and should be corrected, just like the % gain for players who are not 100% catchers. I have [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10770193]a guy[/url] on a team I'm chaperoning who finally made the 75% requirement and now will need to catch 150 more games before he's not suffering a positional penalty defensively.
April 12, 2014 at 05:01PM View BBCode
While I do agree that for the most part positional changes in the sim lack logic or reason it is important to note that the player mentioned was not, in fact "playing 48 and 57 games behind the plate in the past two seasons" he went an entire season, 2026, without catching which caused him to fall below the 50% threshold .Still it's dumb and should be corrected, just like the % gain for players who are not 100% catchers. I have [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=10770193]a guy[/url] on a team I'm chaperoning who finally made the 75% requirement and now will need to catch 150 more games before he's not suffering a positional penalty defensively.
dirtdevil
it's probably more important to note that the player in question went an entire season in 2026 without catching because he fell below the 50% threshold. the original post was made prior to the start of the 2026 season, when Hutson was coming off catching 57 games in 2025 but had fallen below the 50% threshold anyway. which is dumb.
April 12, 2014 at 05:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
While I do agree that for the most part positional changes in the sim lack logic or reason it is important to note that the player mentioned was not, in fact "playing 48 and 57 games behind the plate in the past two seasons" he went an entire season, 2026, without catching which caused him to fall below the 50% threshold .
it's probably more important to note that the player in question went an entire season in 2026 without catching because he fell below the 50% threshold. the original post was made prior to the start of the 2026 season, when Hutson was coming off catching 57 games in 2025 but had fallen below the 50% threshold anyway. which is dumb.
tworoosters
April 12, 2014 at 05:40PM View BBCode
Well yes, that is even more dumb than my scenario......and more difficult to fathom. Was he ever 100% at catcher ?
dirtdevil
yeah, he's was 100% at catcher for most of his career, and when I signed him. but I also had a young catcher coming up at that time and I thought I could develop the young guy while getting Hutson full-time AB by playing him in the OF vs rhp. the [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10632472]young guy[/url] was far better vs rhp than lhp, so it worked well. I figured worst case, if I eventually lost the young guy to FA I already had a quality replacement on hand. until that is, I lost the young guy in FA the same year that Hutson fell below the qualification line.
April 12, 2014 at 06:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Well yes, that is even more dumb than my scenario......and more difficult to fathom. Was he ever 100% at catcher ?
yeah, he's was 100% at catcher for most of his career, and when I signed him. but I also had a young catcher coming up at that time and I thought I could develop the young guy while getting Hutson full-time AB by playing him in the OF vs rhp. the [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10632472]young guy[/url] was far better vs rhp than lhp, so it worked well. I figured worst case, if I eventually lost the young guy to FA I already had a quality replacement on hand. until that is, I lost the young guy in FA the same year that Hutson fell below the qualification line.
paulcaraccio
possible solution (numbers completely arbitrary)...if a player plays 500 games at a position he's 100 at, his unlearning gets hard-stopped at 95.
April 13, 2014 at 03:43AM View BBCode
next time i guess you should play him at shortstop vRHP instead of the outfield. it'll be so hard for him to learn that spot that he'll never forget how to catch. (insert head-shaking emoticon here)possible solution (numbers completely arbitrary)...if a player plays 500 games at a position he's 100 at, his unlearning gets hard-stopped at 95.
Pages: 1