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tworoosters
[url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9824587]Holbrook[/url] is having the best year of his career, despite being one grade low in all skills, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9826453]Mullen[/url] is down a bit from last year but since he was supposed to be down a grade that year as well it's a bit meaningless to quibble, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825429]Walsh[/url] deosn't appear to be suffering either. [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9827797]Weiss[/url] is certainly the greatest C+/A pitcher I've ever seen and I can't recall seeing many [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825062]B/B relievers[/url] with ERA's under 3 in my sim career.
So it would appear that one of two scenarios are at play:
1) We have all grossly over estimated the value of a full grade across the board
or (and more likely)
2) admin has simply forgotten to penalize the Knights the past two seasons
So apparently one grade doesn't mean much
April 06, 2015 at 03:24AM View BBCode
According to the rules New York's players should all be suffering a one grade penalty, yet looking at their stats it would be hard to notice.[url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9824587]Holbrook[/url] is having the best year of his career, despite being one grade low in all skills, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9826453]Mullen[/url] is down a bit from last year but since he was supposed to be down a grade that year as well it's a bit meaningless to quibble, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825429]Walsh[/url] deosn't appear to be suffering either. [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9827797]Weiss[/url] is certainly the greatest C+/A pitcher I've ever seen and I can't recall seeing many [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825062]B/B relievers[/url] with ERA's under 3 in my sim career.
So it would appear that one of two scenarios are at play:
1) We have all grossly over estimated the value of a full grade across the board
or (and more likely)
2) admin has simply forgotten to penalize the Knights the past two seasons
Beanballs
A question for your guys that have been around salary for a while, why is there not a hard cap set here? Or is this league different than the regular salary leagues and they have hard caps? A hard cap seems to me to be a simple fix, if it is not in use it seems like it would be possible.
I would think the penalty would be such that even if you field a far superior team, you should not be able to compete, otherwise why not go over the cap and get as many studs as possible?
April 08, 2015 at 08:51PM View BBCode
As a relative salary newbie, it is very surprising to me to see NY right in the mix, even in a league like this where there is a wide gap in talent between the teams.A question for your guys that have been around salary for a while, why is there not a hard cap set here? Or is this league different than the regular salary leagues and they have hard caps? A hard cap seems to me to be a simple fix, if it is not in use it seems like it would be possible.
I would think the penalty would be such that even if you field a far superior team, you should not be able to compete, otherwise why not go over the cap and get as many studs as possible?
tworoosters
April 08, 2015 at 09:56PM View BBCode
There is, supposedly, a hard cap of $80M in the ASL but if there has been a penalty applied to New York it certainly doesn't appear to have had any impact.
thatrogue
3) NYN has built a team that, when penalized, is still almost on par with the other two good teams in the NL.
LA: 1 A SP, 2 A- SPs, 1 A hitter, 4 A- hitters, everyone else is B+, with the exception of two, rarely used B hitters
SF: 1 A- SP, 2 A- RPs, 5 A- hitters, everyone else is B+, with the exception of one each B, B-, and C+ hitters
NYN: 1 A SP, 4 A- SPs, 3 A hitters, 6 A- hitters, everyone else is B+ with the exception of one rarely used B pitcher
The downgrade puts me behind LA and about on par with SF, and the standings bear that out.
If not for the stupid rule where all the reserves are $0.25M, I would not be over the cap, and would be in a much better position to compete. As it stands, I'll probably miss the playoffs again.
April 08, 2015 at 10:37PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoostersor
According to the rules New York's players should all be suffering a one grade penalty, yet looking at their stats it would be hard to notice.
[url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9824587]Holbrook[/url] is having the best year of his career, despite being one grade low in all skills, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9826453]Mullen[/url] is down a bit from last year but since he was supposed to be down a grade that year as well it's a bit meaningless to quibble, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825429]Walsh[/url] deosn't appear to be suffering either. [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9827797]Weiss[/url] is certainly the greatest C+/A pitcher I've ever seen and I can't recall seeing many [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9825062]B/B relievers[/url] with ERA's under 3 in my sim career.
So it would appear that one of two scenarios are at play:
1) We have all grossly over estimated the value of a full grade across the board
or (and more likely)
2) admin has simply forgotten to penalize the Knights the past two seasons
3) NYN has built a team that, when penalized, is still almost on par with the other two good teams in the NL.
LA: 1 A SP, 2 A- SPs, 1 A hitter, 4 A- hitters, everyone else is B+, with the exception of two, rarely used B hitters
SF: 1 A- SP, 2 A- RPs, 5 A- hitters, everyone else is B+, with the exception of one each B, B-, and C+ hitters
NYN: 1 A SP, 4 A- SPs, 3 A hitters, 6 A- hitters, everyone else is B+ with the exception of one rarely used B pitcher
The downgrade puts me behind LA and about on par with SF, and the standings bear that out.
If not for the stupid rule where all the reserves are $0.25M, I would not be over the cap, and would be in a much better position to compete. As it stands, I'll probably miss the playoffs again.
tworoosters
1 A- SP, 3 B+ SP, 3 A- hitters, 6 B+ hitters, everyone else B except for 1 rarely used B- pitcher as the penalty is supposed to drop each player a full skill level.
In addition a full grade skill loss should mean major drop offs in performance which I'm not seeing.
Admin has confirmed that you are being penalized which means, to me, that the game is much more random than it should be.
I personally don't care what happens in the ASL, I've taken multiple seasons where I've done nothing but the fact that a reduction of skills by a full grade doesn't appear to have a statistical impact is rather disturbing to me as it translates to the league that I pay money to play in.
April 09, 2015 at 05:22AM View BBCode
Except that with the downgrade you should have:1 A- SP, 3 B+ SP, 3 A- hitters, 6 B+ hitters, everyone else B except for 1 rarely used B- pitcher as the penalty is supposed to drop each player a full skill level.
In addition a full grade skill loss should mean major drop offs in performance which I'm not seeing.
Admin has confirmed that you are being penalized which means, to me, that the game is much more random than it should be.
I personally don't care what happens in the ASL, I've taken multiple seasons where I've done nothing but the fact that a reduction of skills by a full grade doesn't appear to have a statistical impact is rather disturbing to me as it translates to the league that I pay money to play in.
thatrogue
April 09, 2015 at 07:20AM View BBCode
But Roosters, the non-contending teams are SO bad, that even a roster of B+ and A- players can dominate them (my team is 93-10 against those teams vs 26-19 against the contending teams). That would not happen in a traditional pay league, because active owners would field much better lineups/rotations than the flotsam those teams have. It's unfortunate that we don't have more active owners in the ASL, because we can't effectively determine the true impact of Admins various changes.
tworoosters
April 09, 2015 at 02:45PM View BBCode
That would be relevant if the dynamic had recently changed, but it hasn't. The bottom line to me is that despite losing a full grade your players have experienced very little drop off in production, and that is what is a concern to me.
thatrogue
I think LA's dominance in the NLCS shows the effect of being over the cap. Post penalty, LA had a better squad, and in the playoffs, with full rest and health, the results played out as they should have.
April 10, 2015 at 10:05AM View BBCode
I disagree. The code probably contains some algorithm which creates an upper limit for effectiveness. Thus, even a team of A hitters is not going to hit .800 for the season, if facing teams filled with B-/C+ pitchers. And, B+ and A- hitters are still going to be incredibly effective facing B-/C+ pitchers, and vice versa for B+ and A- pitchers. So, despite the penalty, there was no significant drop off in overall stats. If the league was filled with quality players, you'd see the drop off happen.I think LA's dominance in the NLCS shows the effect of being over the cap. Post penalty, LA had a better squad, and in the playoffs, with full rest and health, the results played out as they should have.
thatrogue
As a point of reference
April 26, 2015 at 01:29PM View BBCode
During the 2061 season, NY started off 8-9 when over the $80M salary cap, but went 131-14 after getting under the cap.
tworoosters
April 26, 2015 at 02:57PM View BBCode
Well that 17 games certainly represents a valid sample as opposed to the two previous full 162 games seasons when NY were also being "punished" and were only able to win 243 of 324 games, a pathetic .750 winning percentage .
thatrogue
April 26, 2015 at 05:22PM View BBCode
But NYN had an .858 winning percentage this season, and a .903 winning percentage after getting under the cap. Your point is furthering my premise.
tworoosters
Is your premise that a team which suffers a full grade penalty in all categories should play at a .470 winning %, 8-9, or that it's perfectly acceptable for them to win 243 games over two years ?
Once you define which it is then you'll have a basis for whether or not my point validates it, because you can't have it both ways. Either the penalty is a crippling blow or a minor inconvenience, which is it ?
April 26, 2015 at 05:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by thatrogue
During the 2061 season, NY started off 8-9 when over the $80M salary cap
Originally posted by thatrogue
But NYN had an .858 winning percentage this season, and a .903 winning percentage after getting under the cap. Your point is furthering my premise.
Is your premise that a team which suffers a full grade penalty in all categories should play at a .470 winning %, 8-9, or that it's perfectly acceptable for them to win 243 games over two years ?
Once you define which it is then you'll have a basis for whether or not my point validates it, because you can't have it both ways. Either the penalty is a crippling blow or a minor inconvenience, which is it ?
thatrogue
[quote][i]Originally posted by thatrogue[/i]
During the 2061 season, NY started off 8-9 when over the $80M salary cap [/quote]
[quote][i]Originally posted by thatrogue[/i]
But NYN had an .858 winning percentage this season, and a .903 winning percentage after getting under the cap. Your point is furthering my premise. [/quote]
Is your premise that a team which suffers a full grade penalty in all categories should play at a .470 winning %, 8-9, or that it's perfectly acceptable for them to win 243 games over two years ?
Once you define which it is then you'll have a basis for whether or not my point validates it, because you can't have it both ways. Either the penalty is a crippling blow or a minor inconvenience, which is it ? [/quote]My premise has continued to be that there was some quantifiable performance impact on my team while it was over the cap. While my team did not succeed at the .470 winning percentage during those two seasons, it did perform significantly better than .750 AFTER getting under the cap. Why are you unwilling to accept that, although the team performed well (collectively) against the unmanaged teams, it should have performed much better against them...which it did, after getting under the cap?
I've seen teams, in paid salary leagues, have horrendous seasons as a result of being over the cap. The system works...
April 28, 2015 at 12:09PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by tworoosters[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by thatrogue[/i]
During the 2061 season, NY started off 8-9 when over the $80M salary cap [/quote]
[quote][i]Originally posted by thatrogue[/i]
But NYN had an .858 winning percentage this season, and a .903 winning percentage after getting under the cap. Your point is furthering my premise. [/quote]
Is your premise that a team which suffers a full grade penalty in all categories should play at a .470 winning %, 8-9, or that it's perfectly acceptable for them to win 243 games over two years ?
Once you define which it is then you'll have a basis for whether or not my point validates it, because you can't have it both ways. Either the penalty is a crippling blow or a minor inconvenience, which is it ? [/quote]My premise has continued to be that there was some quantifiable performance impact on my team while it was over the cap. While my team did not succeed at the .470 winning percentage during those two seasons, it did perform significantly better than .750 AFTER getting under the cap. Why are you unwilling to accept that, although the team performed well (collectively) against the unmanaged teams, it should have performed much better against them...which it did, after getting under the cap?
I've seen teams, in paid salary leagues, have horrendous seasons as a result of being over the cap. The system works...
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