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Renewal Information & Payment Link
June 17, 2017 at 06:02AM View BBCode
Hello,<BR><BR> You are coming up to the time of your renewal. The 2106 season will be your last full season before renewal. If you could please consider whether or not you are returning and let the league commish know. We now have the ability to track renewal intentions on the game side of the website. If you log into your team, and go to Edit Profile, you can update your renewal status there. You can also see the renewal status for anyone in your league by going to the league info page. This feature is enabled about 21 days before a league reaches the renewal deadline. <BR><BR> Please update your status accoordingly and/or send a u2u to the league commish letting them know whether your returning, not returning, or if you have already paid (including replacement owners who took over a team mid-term). Even if your undecided, we would like to at least get a response from you stating that so we are aware your thinking about it.<BR><BR> Below is the information and a link if your ready to renew now. The renewal cost for this league is $50.00 for the next 8 season term. However, if you renew before Saturday, July 8th, the cost is only $45.00. There is also a chance you could lose your team to an expansion owner if everyone else is ready to go by then. If there is a question or you need an extention on your payment, please send me a u2u to let me know ASAP.<BR><BR> To renew, login to your team and go to the owner tab, and then click on Renewal. This will bring you to a page which will tell you the cost and provide you with a payment link. Once paid your team will be automatically marked as renewed and you can trade picks into the next term. If you have trouble finding it, you can use the following link:<BR> http://www.simdynasty.com/renewal.jsp<BR><BR> Note: You must be logged into your Bob Horner League team on the gameside for this link to work properly. We have recently coded a new renewal process to help automate things. Before, payments and renewal statuses were all searched through and applied manually, which consumed a significant amount of administrative time. We have tested the system out in a several leagues with good success. You can view all the teams which have paid on the league info page. All the paid teams can trade picks beyond the current term. You can now renew at any time in any private/speed league by using the link under the owner-->renewal tab.<BR><BR><B>The Expansion Draft</B><BR>Once a league has a total of 16 paid renewing owners and paid expansion owners, and the OffSeason has run, the schedule for expansion drafts will kick in. You can view the details here:<BR> http://rules.simdynasty.com/index.php/Sim_Dynasty_Game_Guide#Term_League_Expansion_Schedules <BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Sim Dynasty Administrator
mrtwolff
June 23, 2017 at 04:58PM View BBCode
Hey guys, wanted to stay but suddenly find myself needing to reduce commitments. Good luck!
Cheezweezel
Sorry to see you go Mr. Twolff. My crystal ball is telling me that the trade landscape in the league will remain largely unaffected by the change.
June 23, 2017 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by mrtwolff
Hey guys, wanted to stay but suddenly find myself needing to reduce commitments. Good luck!
Sorry to see you go Mr. Twolff. My crystal ball is telling me that the trade landscape in the league will remain largely unaffected by the change.
tworoosters
June 23, 2017 at 07:40PM View BBCode
He's been as active as pretty much everyone else lately
dirtdevil
June 23, 2017 at 08:47PM View BBCode
it's not from a lack of trying. there's, at minimum, a 6-team race in both leagues right now and no one thinks they're a contender.
Bonescorpion
June 23, 2017 at 10:57PM View BBCode
The Drama Queens are still about 3 years away. Our pitching is seriously suspect and our lineup still has some growing up to do. Really not worth trading prospects for such a small window to win.
FrosteeTBear
June 25, 2017 at 12:52AM View BBCode
I probably am the closest to winning a title with a few pieces but they would have to be very good because I keep flirting with it every year--I might try giving up some draft picks if somebody out there has great players they are willing to part with for draft picks and minor leaguers. Right now there is nothing on the trade market that will make my team better?
tworoosters
Trade market is irrelevant, I took 8 players off the block at the beginning of the year because I had not received a single offer for any of them. Bottom line is nobody wants to trade unless they are
"winning the deal" big time so there will be no trades except those where one team takes advantage of another. The league is drifting into irrelevance.
June 25, 2017 at 04:01AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Right now there is nothing on the trade market that will make my team better?
Trade market is irrelevant, I took 8 players off the block at the beginning of the year because I had not received a single offer for any of them. Bottom line is nobody wants to trade unless they are
"winning the deal" big time so there will be no trades except those where one team takes advantage of another. The league is drifting into irrelevance.
BKCUBS13
I renewed because I put some time into developing this team and want to see it through. One of the big reasons I was undetermined for a while was b/c of what TR pointed out and the lack of trades. Hopefully it gets better. But I do appreciate that there is no drama in this league and everyone for the most part is active in keeping a clean roster.
June 25, 2017 at 06:01AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Right now there is nothing on the trade market that will make my team better?
Trade market is irrelevant, I took 8 players off the block at the beginning of the year because I had not received a single offer for any of them. Bottom line is nobody wants to trade unless they are
"winning the deal" big time so there will be no trades except those where one team takes advantage of another. The league is drifting into irrelevance.
I renewed because I put some time into developing this team and want to see it through. One of the big reasons I was undetermined for a while was b/c of what TR pointed out and the lack of trades. Hopefully it gets better. But I do appreciate that there is no drama in this league and everyone for the most part is active in keeping a clean roster.
FrosteeTBear
June 25, 2017 at 04:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoostersI think you know when I make a trade I am willing to sometimes give more if it is worthy trade!
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Right now there is nothing on the trade market that will make my team better?
Trade market is irrelevant, I took 8 players off the block at the beginning of the year because I had not received a single offer for any of them. Bottom line is nobody wants to trade unless they are
"winning the deal" big time so there will be no trades except those where one team takes advantage of another. The league is drifting into irrelevance.
dirtdevil
That's a pretty subjective assessment. The trade market has been pretty active not that long ago. We are going through a 'dry spell' but my sense is that it's caused more by guys feeling like it's not time for their team to make a move than it is by people only wanting to take advantage of one another.
I've had two A overall starters on the block all year. I've had one offer. I felt it was too low, for understandable reasons, but legitimate low, if you know what I mean. My understanding is that he felt my counter was reasonable but not what he was wanting to do right now. There are a lot of teams that think they're rebuilding that I think aren't. They have a roster in the 26+ area and little to nothing in the 20-23 age group in the minors. To me those teams should be buying to contend. But they don't want to because they're rebuilding. It's their team, so that get to decide. And who am I to say they're wrong? They've got their own plans and ideas, naturally, and they may well be right. I can't force them to see their roster the way I do. So no deals there either. Also, I'm not renewed yet, so I can't deal for picks, which makes it more difficult. I don't imagine I'm alone in that right now.
The other thing is something we've talked about more than once. This league has been, for as long as I can remember over two terms, a buyers league. Prices are just lower here, historically. Your view, as I understand it, is that there is no such thing as a buyers market and that an asset is essentially worth the same no matter what league it is. I understand that viewpoint but I do feel like it tends to make you feel that people who are making what they see as "league market value" offers are "only wanting to take advantage".
Anyway that's my two cents. Or maybe four cents. That's a lot of words.
[Edited on 6-26-2017 by dirtdevil]
June 26, 2017 at 05:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Right now there is nothing on the trade market that will make my team better?
Trade market is irrelevant, I took 8 players off the block at the beginning of the year because I had not received a single offer for any of them. Bottom line is nobody wants to trade unless they are
"winning the deal" big time so there will be no trades except those where one team takes advantage of another. The league is drifting into irrelevance.
That's a pretty subjective assessment. The trade market has been pretty active not that long ago. We are going through a 'dry spell' but my sense is that it's caused more by guys feeling like it's not time for their team to make a move than it is by people only wanting to take advantage of one another.
I've had two A overall starters on the block all year. I've had one offer. I felt it was too low, for understandable reasons, but legitimate low, if you know what I mean. My understanding is that he felt my counter was reasonable but not what he was wanting to do right now. There are a lot of teams that think they're rebuilding that I think aren't. They have a roster in the 26+ area and little to nothing in the 20-23 age group in the minors. To me those teams should be buying to contend. But they don't want to because they're rebuilding. It's their team, so that get to decide. And who am I to say they're wrong? They've got their own plans and ideas, naturally, and they may well be right. I can't force them to see their roster the way I do. So no deals there either. Also, I'm not renewed yet, so I can't deal for picks, which makes it more difficult. I don't imagine I'm alone in that right now.
The other thing is something we've talked about more than once. This league has been, for as long as I can remember over two terms, a buyers league. Prices are just lower here, historically. Your view, as I understand it, is that there is no such thing as a buyers market and that an asset is essentially worth the same no matter what league it is. I understand that viewpoint but I do feel like it tends to make you feel that people who are making what they see as "league market value" offers are "only wanting to take advantage".
Anyway that's my two cents. Or maybe four cents. That's a lot of words.
[Edited on 6-26-2017 by dirtdevil]
tworoosters
That's a pretty subjective assessment, I guess it depends on how one defines "not that long ago" we are currently in the 4th consecutive season, half a renewal cycle, where it is likely we will have 7 or less trades .
June 26, 2017 at 06:26PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
The trade market has been pretty active not that long ago.
That's a pretty subjective assessment, I guess it depends on how one defines "not that long ago" we are currently in the 4th consecutive season, half a renewal cycle, where it is likely we will have 7 or less trades .
dirtdevil
That's a reasonable point, although a pretty passive aggressive response that i think ignores the main point. But how many trades should take place in a year in an active 16-team league? 7? 5? 10? The four seasons before that had what I would characterize as extensive trade activity. Maybe this league is just on a cycle?
June 26, 2017 at 06:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by dirtdevil
The trade market has been pretty active not that long ago.
That's a pretty subjective assessment, I guess it depends on how one defines "not that long ago" we are currently in the 4th consecutive season, half a renewal cycle, where it is likely we will have 7 or less trades .
That's a reasonable point, although a pretty passive aggressive response that i think ignores the main point. But how many trades should take place in a year in an active 16-team league? 7? 5? 10? The four seasons before that had what I would characterize as extensive trade activity. Maybe this league is just on a cycle?
Hamilton2
I honestly think it is just a temporary thing but who knows.
June 27, 2017 at 03:03AM View BBCode
I would like to help but i don't have any assets that i can both afford to lose and that anyone else would want for a worthwhile veteran. :)I honestly think it is just a temporary thing but who knows.
FrosteeTBear
Maybe I have been too wordy but in essence a league with no penalties leads to more trading, selling off to rebuild............
June 27, 2017 at 03:54AM View BBCode
If you can't find players better than the ones you have then why make a trade--you might as well take a chance on the draft...............and as far as winning the trade is not really a subject because in this league--it is hard to say that one great player will be better than another--and if he is great year after year--why trade him.............until he is too old to make a difference...really--probably the only thing that makes an even trade is trading a SS for a 2B or something like that--maybe an older player for a 2nd round pick--because re-building is taken away because of draft penalties it limits trading, so there are always trade offs with every kind of draft rules.Maybe I have been too wordy but in essence a league with no penalties leads to more trading, selling off to rebuild............
Cheezweezel
June 27, 2017 at 03:58AM View BBCode
Three of the past four draft classes have been noticeably poor (03-05). That's why there's a shortage of trades, because there's a shortage of trade commodities. Meanwhile, rebuilding teams have even longer to go before they have a reasonably strong core to compete with.
tworoosters
I returned to the BHL in 2091, in the first 12 years after I returned the league averaged 13 1/2 trades per year with only one year when there were less than 10 trades, in the previous three seasons there have been a total of 14 trades, just barely over the annual single season average for the previous 12 years.
The four previous seasons that you characterize as having extensive trading action had one outlier season, 2102, with 24 trades and three other years that essentially produced just under league average trades, 37 in 3 seasons. If you take out the 2 outlier seasons among the previous twelve , 2102 with 24 & 2094 with 6, you still end up with an average of 13.3 trades per year.
This year there have been 2 trades, neither of which could be referred as life changing, I have had more than one owner tell me that they "like the offer but since nobody else is willing to trade I'm just going to stand pat". Hamilton and I worked like mad to get a deal done last year but walked away because neither of us wanted to be the schmuck that paid proper value for talent.
This is not a cycle it's the end of trading, the valuations have been driven down so far that there is no incentive to trade. Atlanta just gave up an A- reliever for a bag of Cheetos, and I'm sure that's the best, likely only, offer he got. I can squint and maybe understand Atlanta's reasoning but if you have to give away talent then why bother trading ? My guess is the "prospect" Atlanta got back has a 20% chance of contributing in the majors and for that you give up a red letter reliever with 3 years left ?
Your statement about how valuations have to adapt to the "league market value" is, I believe, quite odd. To me it's like saying that you join a poker game where the norm is to go all in with Queen/8 non suited and your response should be to start doing that because that's the "table market value" for betting.
June 27, 2017 at 04:18AM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by dirtdevil
The trade market has been pretty active not that long ago.
That's a pretty subjective assessment, I guess it depends on how one defines "not that long ago" we are currently in the 4th consecutive season, half a renewal cycle, where it is likely we will have 7 or less trades .
That's a reasonable point, although a pretty passive aggressive response that i think ignores the main point. But how many trades should take place in a year in an active 16-team league? 7? 5? 10? The four seasons before that had what I would characterize as extensive trade activity. Maybe this league is just on a cycle?
I returned to the BHL in 2091, in the first 12 years after I returned the league averaged 13 1/2 trades per year with only one year when there were less than 10 trades, in the previous three seasons there have been a total of 14 trades, just barely over the annual single season average for the previous 12 years.
The four previous seasons that you characterize as having extensive trading action had one outlier season, 2102, with 24 trades and three other years that essentially produced just under league average trades, 37 in 3 seasons. If you take out the 2 outlier seasons among the previous twelve , 2102 with 24 & 2094 with 6, you still end up with an average of 13.3 trades per year.
This year there have been 2 trades, neither of which could be referred as life changing, I have had more than one owner tell me that they "like the offer but since nobody else is willing to trade I'm just going to stand pat". Hamilton and I worked like mad to get a deal done last year but walked away because neither of us wanted to be the schmuck that paid proper value for talent.
This is not a cycle it's the end of trading, the valuations have been driven down so far that there is no incentive to trade. Atlanta just gave up an A- reliever for a bag of Cheetos, and I'm sure that's the best, likely only, offer he got. I can squint and maybe understand Atlanta's reasoning but if you have to give away talent then why bother trading ? My guess is the "prospect" Atlanta got back has a 20% chance of contributing in the majors and for that you give up a red letter reliever with 3 years left ?
Your statement about how valuations have to adapt to the "league market value" is, I believe, quite odd. To me it's like saying that you join a poker game where the norm is to go all in with Queen/8 non suited and your response should be to start doing that because that's the "table market value" for betting.
LannisG
[Edited on 6-27-2017 by LannisG]
June 27, 2017 at 12:56PM View BBCode
Overall the uptick in activity could be solely attributed to my rebuild. 2102 I did 6 trades, 2103 2 trades, 2104 3 trades (all with 1 team that was trying to compete), the last 2 years I have not had assets to trade. Ultimately there are too many teams that are just on auto pilot. Most of the trade activity seems to come from about half the league. I put Randy Loun on the trade block this year and have yet to receive an offer for him, he would pretty much help any team. The argument that there are no players on the trade block that will help your team is a bit uninformed.[Edited on 6-27-2017 by LannisG]
tworoosters
As is the idea that only players listed on the Trade block are potential trade targets, but that's another story.
June 27, 2017 at 02:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by LannisG
The argument that there are no players on the trade block that will help your team is a bit uninformed.
As is the idea that only players listed on the Trade block are potential trade targets, but that's another story.
dirtdevil
I know you think it's odd. but the things you're comparing aren't relatable. poker is a game with static values. a king always is higher than a queen, a full house is always higher than three of a kind, etc. SD trades are market based. ultimately, as in real life, any asset is worth what a person is willing to pay for it. for instance, our area is currently experiencing what is, imo, a ridiculous inflation of the housing market. the home we bought 12 years ago for 285k I could sell tomorrow for 625k, maybe more. objectively I think it's worth about 400k. but I don't think anyone would advise me to sell it for that and walk away from the extra 200k.
what the BHL has in trade values is that effect in reverse. it's all well and good to insist that you won't sell an asset for less than "value". I completely respect that position. I've done it myself more than once. but you can't do that and then complain that there aren't enough trades or that no one wants to make an offer for your players. you've consistently refused to sell your assets for what the league in general is willing to pay. if that goes on long enough, it's entirely plausible that people who don't want to pay your prices stop sending offers because they don't feel there's any point. it's possible that your stance itself has acted as a drag on trade activity.
people trade when they're blowing up for a rebuild, when they're going for it coming out of a rebuild or when they're trying to bolster a run. but those teams all need a partner and right now they don't have one. right now the teams that are trying to blow things up to rebuild don't have anyone who's going for it coming out of a rebuild to trade with. so those teams are unable to make moves. what we have right now is one team (me) who doesn't need to make any moves, one (hamilton)who would but has limited assets to work with two (KC/ATL) who are trying to blow up an aging team and 11 or 12 who think of themselves as rebuilding and not positioned to compete. that situation, imo, is more responsible for the recent lack of trades than any disagreement over valuations.
[Edited on 6-27-2017 by dirtdevil]
June 27, 2017 at 03:14PM View BBCode
i'm usually one of the more active traders in most leagues i'm in. but I haven't made a deal since 2103 and my last significant one was in 2102. I re-entered the league in 2097, making 7 trades. in 2098-2102 I made 3, 1, 4, 3 and 7 trades. that's 25 trades in 6 years. but that built my team and I've only made two minor deals to tweak the fringes of the roster since because that's all I've needed. Loun is a pretty good example, actually. terrible defence aside, he's an upgrade for me at 2B or 3B, offensively. but he's also a 3-piece player (in this league, maybe 2) and he's not a huge upgrade for me at either position. so with a 13-game lead there just doesn't seem to be any reason to make that move. there are 4-5 teams in the AL and 3-5 in the NL who could make a strong playoff run by adding a Loun, or one of my starters, or Salter or Bragg from roosters. but as I said earlier, those teams don't feel they're in position to make those moves. I look at those log jams and I feel like a team that made moves to add a top-end arm and a bat would separate themselves from the pack pretty quickly. but no one with the assets to do that agrees with me, and that's their prerogative.Originally posted by tworoosters
Your statement about how valuations have to adapt to the "league market value" is, I believe, quite odd. To me it's like saying that you join a poker game where the norm is to go all in with Queen/8 non suited and your response should be to start doing that because that's the "table market value" for betting.
I know you think it's odd. but the things you're comparing aren't relatable. poker is a game with static values. a king always is higher than a queen, a full house is always higher than three of a kind, etc. SD trades are market based. ultimately, as in real life, any asset is worth what a person is willing to pay for it. for instance, our area is currently experiencing what is, imo, a ridiculous inflation of the housing market. the home we bought 12 years ago for 285k I could sell tomorrow for 625k, maybe more. objectively I think it's worth about 400k. but I don't think anyone would advise me to sell it for that and walk away from the extra 200k.
what the BHL has in trade values is that effect in reverse. it's all well and good to insist that you won't sell an asset for less than "value". I completely respect that position. I've done it myself more than once. but you can't do that and then complain that there aren't enough trades or that no one wants to make an offer for your players. you've consistently refused to sell your assets for what the league in general is willing to pay. if that goes on long enough, it's entirely plausible that people who don't want to pay your prices stop sending offers because they don't feel there's any point. it's possible that your stance itself has acted as a drag on trade activity.
people trade when they're blowing up for a rebuild, when they're going for it coming out of a rebuild or when they're trying to bolster a run. but those teams all need a partner and right now they don't have one. right now the teams that are trying to blow things up to rebuild don't have anyone who's going for it coming out of a rebuild to trade with. so those teams are unable to make moves. what we have right now is one team (me) who doesn't need to make any moves, one (hamilton)who would but has limited assets to work with two (KC/ATL) who are trying to blow up an aging team and 11 or 12 who think of themselves as rebuilding and not positioned to compete. that situation, imo, is more responsible for the recent lack of trades than any disagreement over valuations.
[Edited on 6-27-2017 by dirtdevil]
spiderrtp
player by player the evals are different... you can't just say 'A-' player... Sveum is not very good (despite his stats this season) and A- overall rating. He has a 4.33 ERA and just came off a season with an ERA over 6. I gave up 2 midling prospects that Cincy is not using a whole lot to get Sveum and Bolero... What is the going rate for that?? A prospect that could be an all-star down the road? At least an everyday player? I think I got what I gave for him... But yes, it was the only offer that I had received.
As for trading, I was quite active when I was building and running, but now I have nothing left to give and too old to hang on to what I have... but like DD said, his team is so dominant that no one is willing to give up anything to challenge him... and the AL has so many teams that is seems want to 'play the lottery' with what they have...
Add to that the last couple of seasons that draft picks aren't available past the end of the term... and you have what you have now... stagnation...
June 27, 2017 at 05:59PM View BBCode
Atlanta just gave up an A- reliever for a bag of Cheetos, and I'm sure that's the best, likely only, offer he got. I can squint and maybe understand Atlanta's reasoning but if you have to give away talent then why bother trading ? My guess is the "prospect" Atlanta got back has a 20% chance of contributing in the majors and for that you give up a red letter reliever with 3 years left ?player by player the evals are different... you can't just say 'A-' player... Sveum is not very good (despite his stats this season) and A- overall rating. He has a 4.33 ERA and just came off a season with an ERA over 6. I gave up 2 midling prospects that Cincy is not using a whole lot to get Sveum and Bolero... What is the going rate for that?? A prospect that could be an all-star down the road? At least an everyday player? I think I got what I gave for him... But yes, it was the only offer that I had received.
As for trading, I was quite active when I was building and running, but now I have nothing left to give and too old to hang on to what I have... but like DD said, his team is so dominant that no one is willing to give up anything to challenge him... and the AL has so many teams that is seems want to 'play the lottery' with what they have...
Add to that the last couple of seasons that draft picks aren't available past the end of the term... and you have what you have now... stagnation...
tworoosters
That may explain why I'm not trading but there are 15 other owners in the league not trading as well
June 27, 2017 at 07:16PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
you've consistently refused to sell your assets for what the league in general is willing to pay. if that goes on long enough, it's entirely plausible that people who don't want to pay your prices stop sending offers because they don't feel there's any point. it's possible that your stance itself has acted as a drag on trade activity.
That may explain why I'm not trading but there are 15 other owners in the league not trading as well
dirtdevil
Sveum appears to be a low A-/A- reliever who has roughly a year and a half of that performance level before he declines into something less. what 'should' be the price for that? a 2nd? a mid-tier prospect? i'm certainly not spending a 1st on it. Bremmer is a former 1st round pick who's ceiling is a decent bench player vs rhp and platoon starter vs lhp. worst case he's a playable bench option at 3 OF spots and 1B. I don't think that's an unreasonable return for what sveum offers. what do you feel he should have gone for?
June 27, 2017 at 07:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by spiderrtp
Atlanta just gave up an A- reliever for a bag of Cheetos, and I'm sure that's the best, likely only, offer he got. I can squint and maybe understand Atlanta's reasoning but if you have to give away talent then why bother trading ? My guess is the "prospect" Atlanta got back has a 20% chance of contributing in the majors and for that you give up a red letter reliever with 3 years left ?
player by player the evals are different... you can't just say 'A-' player... Sveum is not very good (despite his stats this season) and A- overall rating. He has a 4.33 ERA and just came off a season with an ERA over 6. I gave up 2 midling prospects that Cincy is not using a whole lot to get Sveum and Bolero... What is the going rate for that?? A prospect that could be an all-star down the road? At least an everyday player? I think I got what I gave for him... But yes, it was the only offer that I had received.
Sveum appears to be a low A-/A- reliever who has roughly a year and a half of that performance level before he declines into something less. what 'should' be the price for that? a 2nd? a mid-tier prospect? i'm certainly not spending a 1st on it. Bremmer is a former 1st round pick who's ceiling is a decent bench player vs rhp and platoon starter vs lhp. worst case he's a playable bench option at 3 OF spots and 1B. I don't think that's an unreasonable return for what sveum offers. what do you feel he should have gone for?
dirtdevil
June 27, 2017 at 07:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by dirtdevil
you've consistently refused to sell your assets for what the league in general is willing to pay. if that goes on long enough, it's entirely plausible that people who don't want to pay your prices stop sending offers because they don't feel there's any point. it's possible that your stance itself has acted as a drag on trade activity.
That may explain why I'm not trading but there are 15 other owners in the league not trading as well
Originally posted by dirtdevil
people trade when they're blowing up for a rebuild, when they're going for it coming out of a rebuild or when they're trying to bolster a run. but those teams all need a partner and right now they don't have one. right now the teams that are trying to blow things up to rebuild don't have anyone who's going for it coming out of a rebuild to trade with. so those teams are unable to make moves. what we have right now is one team (me) who doesn't need to make any moves, one (hamilton)who would but has limited assets to work with two (KC/ATL) who are trying to blow up an aging team and 11 or 12 who think of themselves as rebuilding and not positioned to compete. that situation, imo, is more responsible for the recent lack of trades than any disagreement over valuations.
tworoosters
Sveum is A-/A- and has posted essentially a league average career ERA and WHIP, his ERA since improving out is 4.15 slightly better than league average, so he is effectively an average pitcher. I wouldn't have dealt Sveum out for less than a real prospect or a 2nd round pick.
The fact that Kemner is a former 1st rounder is completely irrelevant to his value, you sound like Michael when you say something like that. Kemner is OS22 and B overall with green letter contact both ways and a power heavy split that hinders his overall development, he is unlikely to get higher than B-/A vs RHP which is not at all playable in the BHL, and may possibly get to B/A+ vs LHP making him a low OBP wrong side platoon player with bad health and average defense. Kemner lack of potential is perhaps most clearly illustrated by the fact that 4Ever didn't even feel him worthy of a nickname.
I've previously stated I think Kemner has a 20% chance to contribute at the major league level but realistically it's likely more like 15%. I wouldn't have given more than a 3rd round pick for Kemner, although honestly I don't see any possible scenario where I would want to acquire him, and as you have pointed out very often I tend to over value players.
June 27, 2017 at 10:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Bremmer is a former 1st round pick who's ceiling is a decent bench player vs rhp and platoon starter vs lhp. worst case he's a playable bench option at 3 OF spots and 1B. I don't think that's an unreasonable return for what sveum offers. what do you feel he should have gone for?
Sveum is A-/A- and has posted essentially a league average career ERA and WHIP, his ERA since improving out is 4.15 slightly better than league average, so he is effectively an average pitcher. I wouldn't have dealt Sveum out for less than a real prospect or a 2nd round pick.
The fact that Kemner is a former 1st rounder is completely irrelevant to his value, you sound like Michael when you say something like that. Kemner is OS22 and B overall with green letter contact both ways and a power heavy split that hinders his overall development, he is unlikely to get higher than B-/A vs RHP which is not at all playable in the BHL, and may possibly get to B/A+ vs LHP making him a low OBP wrong side platoon player with bad health and average defense. Kemner lack of potential is perhaps most clearly illustrated by the fact that 4Ever didn't even feel him worthy of a nickname.
I've previously stated I think Kemner has a 20% chance to contribute at the major league level but realistically it's likely more like 15%. I wouldn't have given more than a 3rd round pick for Kemner, although honestly I don't see any possible scenario where I would want to acquire him, and as you have pointed out very often I tend to over value players.