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sg137iu
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11649091
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11280973
My best guess is a good prospect for the hitter, and at least a couple top prospects for the pitcher. I have seen people refer to how many "pieces" in posts here before but am not quite sure what exactly a piece means. Like if a top prospect means one piece, or an okay prospect is a piece while a top prospect is like 1.5. And what kind of draft picks is worth precisely 1.0 pieces in value, yadda yadda yadda.
I am not actively shopping the duo but have some interest in one or both from a couple owners.
Thank you for your input.
[Edited on 9-15-2017 by sg137iu]
What do I get for these guys in a dynasty league?
September 15, 2017 at 08:20PM View BBCode
I am new to the league so I am at a loss for what I should expect to get, or ask for, for players like these.http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11649091
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11280973
My best guess is a good prospect for the hitter, and at least a couple top prospects for the pitcher. I have seen people refer to how many "pieces" in posts here before but am not quite sure what exactly a piece means. Like if a top prospect means one piece, or an okay prospect is a piece while a top prospect is like 1.5. And what kind of draft picks is worth precisely 1.0 pieces in value, yadda yadda yadda.
I am not actively shopping the duo but have some interest in one or both from a couple owners.
Thank you for your input.
[Edited on 9-15-2017 by sg137iu]
ccox
September 15, 2017 at 09:54PM View BBCode
The best way to learn value IMO is to hit the "advice" link when a trade is offered until you get a better idea. When you do that, a thread starts in this forum and vets can offer advice and sort of break down why or why it is not a good offer. Also, definitely read the game guides (found in "help").
PizzaMan8
Player #2: You might not get much in return, if at all. Since he's into his decline years (OS 34 or later), most owners may not want to give up too much for him, if at all. That's because he's only going to get worse from here, if not retire. I would find that he'd be easier to move in a package deal, especially if he is currently an upgrade for a contender.
"Piece" is kind of a subjective term. Most people will have their own definitions, but I'd say a top prospect would be worth 1, while a mid-tier prospect is worth 0.5. First round picks are usually 1, but may fluctuate a bit based on the class and position.
In general, I would define a top prospect as a player who will have a very good chance, if not guaranteed, of making at least a A- overall, and a mid tier prospect to have a fair chance at being an everyday player or serviceable backup.
I'm not very well versed in all the nuances of the site myself, but I hope my two cents helps!
September 15, 2017 at 09:58PM View BBCode
Player #1: You'd want 2-3 players, young with lots of upside. Either young prospects with a lot of upside, or young players (~23) who are at least B+, and can contribute in a significant role in the majors.Player #2: You might not get much in return, if at all. Since he's into his decline years (OS 34 or later), most owners may not want to give up too much for him, if at all. That's because he's only going to get worse from here, if not retire. I would find that he'd be easier to move in a package deal, especially if he is currently an upgrade for a contender.
"Piece" is kind of a subjective term. Most people will have their own definitions, but I'd say a top prospect would be worth 1, while a mid-tier prospect is worth 0.5. First round picks are usually 1, but may fluctuate a bit based on the class and position.
In general, I would define a top prospect as a player who will have a very good chance, if not guaranteed, of making at least a A- overall, and a mid tier prospect to have a fair chance at being an everyday player or serviceable backup.
I'm not very well versed in all the nuances of the site myself, but I hope my two cents helps!
ccox
I just looked over your team, and WOW. It is stacked. Your pitching is incredible and not TOO old yet, and you have plenty of hitting prospects to promote down the road when your starting bats get old.
You should be aiming for rings, not rebuilding. Some owners take years to build a team like this. Man I wish I owned this team. Can you tell? lol
If I owned your team, here's what I'd do
Pitching: Put Wagner in Novoa's place, drop Novoa to the 5th spot, then make Smith your setup man (Wagner still has improving to do and likely ends up B+/A+).
Hitting: Find a way to bat Devens or demote him...whatever you need to give him as many ICs as possible, because he could be quite good vRHP. If you demote him, train him at catcher for sure because he's nearly there already. Good catchers are highly sought after, and if Devens gets good enough, you can trade your older one for a nice haul. I'd trade Palacios before next offseason, for sure. Trade Bailey and Ruhl if you get a good offer...they both decline this offseason, but should be good/useful for 2-3 more seasons.
Minors: You have a few players who might get good with proper development, though not as good as the guys on top. Try to get future picks or prospects those lesser pieces. Rod Smith is likely to be an outstanding vRHP bat. Schatzeder might be okay. Marbet will hit a ton of home runs and is much better than Adams. Cockman is awful. Barrett would be worth developing, at least for trade bait...when he hits B+/B-, someone will picture A+/B+ and pay that much more than they would now. McGee should be promoted...he might be a good bench bat.
I'd aim for ace pitching prospects with your trades, because that's what you'll really need in about 5-6 seasons. Package things to nab the best pitching prospects you can. In 3-4 seasons, when the oldest of your current rotation is on the cusp of declines, they'll still command some nice prospects because they're that good.
And ask for advice every chance you can until you're comfortable. Don't let other owners strip that beautiful team, because some owners around here will, if you let them.
Seriously one of the best teams I've seen, with a lot of potential.
Good luck.
September 15, 2017 at 11:17PM View BBCode
I think PizzaMan gave a nice analysis. Since you're new, my guess is you're just figuring out the development curve so might not understand yet what a player at certain ages will look like when fully developed. That's where this board can be of big help.I just looked over your team, and WOW. It is stacked. Your pitching is incredible and not TOO old yet, and you have plenty of hitting prospects to promote down the road when your starting bats get old.
You should be aiming for rings, not rebuilding. Some owners take years to build a team like this. Man I wish I owned this team. Can you tell? lol
If I owned your team, here's what I'd do
Pitching: Put Wagner in Novoa's place, drop Novoa to the 5th spot, then make Smith your setup man (Wagner still has improving to do and likely ends up B+/A+).
Hitting: Find a way to bat Devens or demote him...whatever you need to give him as many ICs as possible, because he could be quite good vRHP. If you demote him, train him at catcher for sure because he's nearly there already. Good catchers are highly sought after, and if Devens gets good enough, you can trade your older one for a nice haul. I'd trade Palacios before next offseason, for sure. Trade Bailey and Ruhl if you get a good offer...they both decline this offseason, but should be good/useful for 2-3 more seasons.
Minors: You have a few players who might get good with proper development, though not as good as the guys on top. Try to get future picks or prospects those lesser pieces. Rod Smith is likely to be an outstanding vRHP bat. Schatzeder might be okay. Marbet will hit a ton of home runs and is much better than Adams. Cockman is awful. Barrett would be worth developing, at least for trade bait...when he hits B+/B-, someone will picture A+/B+ and pay that much more than they would now. McGee should be promoted...he might be a good bench bat.
I'd aim for ace pitching prospects with your trades, because that's what you'll really need in about 5-6 seasons. Package things to nab the best pitching prospects you can. In 3-4 seasons, when the oldest of your current rotation is on the cusp of declines, they'll still command some nice prospects because they're that good.
And ask for advice every chance you can until you're comfortable. Don't let other owners strip that beautiful team, because some owners around here will, if you let them.
Seriously one of the best teams I've seen, with a lot of potential.
Good luck.
sg137iu
Pizzaman I found the descriptions of pieces very helpful. That could almost be a good and deep thread by itself and maybe I'll start it sometime.
Ccox I like your approach to my team. I agree it's an awesome one and that's why I jumped on it first. :lol: I will try and move out some of the older players that I think I can maybe do without and still succeed and that would allow me to bring up some of those younger guys who can contribute now. And I will try to find room at catcher for Devens and trades for my lesser prospects.
I will also post trade offers for advice and will really appreciate the feedback on that as well.
September 16, 2017 at 12:13AM View BBCode
Thank you very much ccox and PizzaMan8, I really appreciate the good and thorough advice.Pizzaman I found the descriptions of pieces very helpful. That could almost be a good and deep thread by itself and maybe I'll start it sometime.
Ccox I like your approach to my team. I agree it's an awesome one and that's why I jumped on it first. :lol: I will try and move out some of the older players that I think I can maybe do without and still succeed and that would allow me to bring up some of those younger guys who can contribute now. And I will try to find room at catcher for Devens and trades for my lesser prospects.
I will also post trade offers for advice and will really appreciate the feedback on that as well.
pecker247
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12321289
Would you do a straight up one for one trade? I would say the player with the younger player would not do that trade. It's always nice to say that you would get 2 or 3 pieces, but those pieces would probably be marginal. It would be better to get a younger player that would be as good as the player that you are giving up.
Your team is ready to compete now so the thought of giving up a player like that I am sure is not even running through your mind unless you are going to upgrade him and that may be hard. Pieces are hard to determine because if someone offered you 3 playoff 1st rounders for him would you take it? I would hope not.
September 16, 2017 at 12:32AM View BBCode
So if someone offered this playerhttp://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12321289
Would you do a straight up one for one trade? I would say the player with the younger player would not do that trade. It's always nice to say that you would get 2 or 3 pieces, but those pieces would probably be marginal. It would be better to get a younger player that would be as good as the player that you are giving up.
Your team is ready to compete now so the thought of giving up a player like that I am sure is not even running through your mind unless you are going to upgrade him and that may be hard. Pieces are hard to determine because if someone offered you 3 playoff 1st rounders for him would you take it? I would hope not.
dirtdevil
that's great advice if you're looking to buy that type of pitcher for below market value. but no, I would not, ever, trade the A overall guy in this thread for the player you posted straight up. that would be lunacy. I don't care what he may or even probably will turn into down the road. what matters is that the vet is A overall right now and the young guy isn't. so if you want to buy the A overall vet, then you need to add something else to the offer.
September 16, 2017 at 03:30AM View BBCode
Originally posted by pecker247
So if someone offered this player
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12321289
Would you do a straight up one for one trade? I would say the player with the younger player would not do that trade. It's always nice to say that you would get 2 or 3 pieces, but those pieces would probably be marginal. It would be better to get a younger player that would be as good as the player that you are giving up.
that's great advice if you're looking to buy that type of pitcher for below market value. but no, I would not, ever, trade the A overall guy in this thread for the player you posted straight up. that would be lunacy. I don't care what he may or even probably will turn into down the road. what matters is that the vet is A overall right now and the young guy isn't. so if you want to buy the A overall vet, then you need to add something else to the offer.
pecker247
September 16, 2017 at 03:43AM View BBCode
If I was rebuilding or if I had extra pieces I would 100% take the younger pitcher straight up for the older pitcher. I am gaining 8 years and the younger player will be the same, almost the same or better than the pitcher I am giving up. Again every owner values players differently.
dirtdevil
September 16, 2017 at 04:05AM View BBCode
again, there is a fairly large consensus of what most player are worth. you may wish to buy them for less (we all would), you may even succeed in whatever crazytown universe the WBL exists in. and look, trying to drive down the price by posting misinformation in trade advice threads is actually pretty machiavellian strategy. I applaud the idea and effort. but it's not really what these threads are for.
pecker247
September 16, 2017 at 04:32AM View BBCode
Dirt, not sure if you are having a bad month or bad year, but it sure does seem that you have been awful testy as of late. Putting your digs wherever you can seems a bit much. Chill out a bit.
ccox
If I felt I'd still make the playoffs, I'd take the younger pitcher as well. After improvements the next season, you may not get that offer (or one similar from anyone else).
September 16, 2017 at 11:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by pecker247
If I was rebuilding or if I had extra pieces I would 100% take the younger pitcher straight up for the older pitcher. I am gaining 8 years and the younger player will be the same, almost the same or better than the pitcher I am giving up.
If I felt I'd still make the playoffs, I'd take the younger pitcher as well. After improvements the next season, you may not get that offer (or one similar from anyone else).
tworoosters
There is no guarantee that Engel ever becomes "the same" as Tracy and virtually no chance whatsoever that he becomes better. Engel is A- and OS 23, he has converted a total of 7 V/C chances in five seasons so his best case is A/A- which is not "the same or better" than Tracy. So since there is, IMO, zero chance that Engel will be better than Tracy and at best 50/50 that he will be as good then trading them straight up is not equitable to me.
I will always take 5 years of Cy Young level over 12 years of All Star level but that's a personal choice.
September 16, 2017 at 01:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by pecker247
I am gaining 8 years and the younger player will be the same, almost the same or better than the pitcher I am giving up. Again every owner values players differently.
There is no guarantee that Engel ever becomes "the same" as Tracy and virtually no chance whatsoever that he becomes better. Engel is A- and OS 23, he has converted a total of 7 V/C chances in five seasons so his best case is A/A- which is not "the same or better" than Tracy. So since there is, IMO, zero chance that Engel will be better than Tracy and at best 50/50 that he will be as good then trading them straight up is not equitable to me.
I will always take 5 years of Cy Young level over 12 years of All Star level but that's a personal choice.
ccox
September 16, 2017 at 03:04PM View BBCode
The reason Engel has been improving so poorly is slightly due to being so good for his age to begin with, but he's mainly developed sluggishly because he was promoted at OS 18.
WillyD
September 16, 2017 at 03:25PM View BBCode
Too bad he didn't get at least 1 season in the minors. He would've likely had more improves that season than he's rec'd during his whole career so far.
ccox
Yeah. Maybe the owner's going for the league's career wins record or something. I would have kept him down a while for sure.
September 16, 2017 at 04:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Too bad he didn't get at least 1 season in the minors. He would've likely had more improves that season than he's rec'd during his whole career so far.
Yeah. Maybe the owner's going for the league's career wins record or something. I would have kept him down a while for sure.
pecker247
September 17, 2017 at 12:45AM View BBCode
I was using that as an example of a player. It was one that I quickly saw in the same league. We don't have to use that exact player. I was just trying to say that sometimes getting a 1 for 1 trade isn't all that bad sometimes.
WillyD
If there's no trade market, then maybe. You should still get something more for trading away a stud pitcher in his prime. Usually there are a couple teams looking for a player like that, and then the price goes higher.
September 17, 2017 at 01:11AM View BBCode
Originally posted by pecker247
I was just trying to say that sometimes getting a 1 for 1 trade isn't all that bad sometimes.
If there's no trade market, then maybe. You should still get something more for trading away a stud pitcher in his prime. Usually there are a couple teams looking for a player like that, and then the price goes higher.
MDorf
September 17, 2017 at 04:34AM View BBCode
I care less about quantity than most and frequently will trade for less than the perceived value in terms of "pieces". I worry a whole lot more about quality. When I am starting a rebuild, I usually have 5-7 players with quite a bit of trade value, so overall quantity is rarely a problem. If Engel is the best available, I am not going to worry too much about getting an extra playoff pick or mediocre prospect. In a system 3, I might hold out more for quantity. Otherwise, I am going to be using up my CP's anyway.Pages: 1