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January 11, 2005 at 05:52PM View BBCode
In the history of the NFL, there have been many great quarterbacks who have not performed as well as Peyton Manning has. The way he is a historian of the game, studies game film, and sees the field is a combination of Unitas, Fouts, and Montana. Unitas because of his ability to run down the field in a one minute drill, Fouts because every weapon at his disposal is used, and Montana because he is intelligent. So many individuals claim he is overratted, well in Carolina we would love to have him leading the offense here. He does not claim to be the saviour, he gives credit to his team in every manner, and really is a role model for the youth. So for those of you who just want to bash him, take a Zen approach. . . take one step forward reading his stats, then take two steps back and really look at what he has achieved.
kingjames0405
January 11, 2005 at 05:54PM View BBCode
yea manning is #1 the colts are gonna win it all as long as he keeps playing the way he is now:P
kingjames0405
Associated Press
INDIANAPOLIS -- When Peyton Manning sees his name alongside some of the great players in NFL history, he beams with pride.
Peyton Manning
Manning gets congratulated by Tony Dungy last month after setting the season TD record.
Manning's phenomenal season earned him his second straight Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award -- and he came within one vote of being a unanimous choice. He joined the likes of Joe Montana, John Unitas, Steve Young and Kurt Warner as quarterbacks with two MVP awards. Brett Favre is the only player to win it three times.
"I've thought of myself as something of a [football] historian and someone who appreciates those names," Manning said Monday. "Just being with those names makes it more special and I am very humbled to be on that list."
The Indianapolis Colts star, who surpassed Dan Marino and Young with his passing prowess in 2004, earned all but one of 48 votes from a national panel of sports writers and broadcasters. Manning tied with Steve McNair for the award last season, but this time only Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick drew a vote.
Ever the team man, and ever championship-oriented, Manning refuses to concentrate on his statistics. He threw for 49 touchdowns, surpassing Marino's 20-year-old NFL record. He shattered Young's passer rating record with a 121.1 mark. And he established other league marks and a lot more team records.
But to Manning, unless it all culminates in a championship, it's not what he's after.
"What I accomplished is something special team-wise," he said. "Obviously it helps that the team is winning games, and good things come along with that."
Such good things as leading the Colts to a 12-4 regular-season record and the AFC South title. They routed Denver 49-24 in the first round of the playoffs -- the MVP voting was held before the postseason -- and play at New England on Sunday.
He also turned two of his previously unaccomplished receivers, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley, into threats almost on a par with Manning's favorite target, perennial Pro Bowler Marvin Harrison. All caught at least 10 touchdown passes and went over 1,000 yards in receiving -- an unprecedented combination for three teammates.
Most AP MVPs, by franchise, all-time
Team No. of MVPs
Colts 7*
Packers 6
49ers 5
Rams 4
*P. Manning (2), J. Unitas (2), G. Marchetti, E. Morrall, B. Jones
"If you told me we'd have 49 touchdown passes and break Dan Marino's record, I'd have been the last person to tell you that," Manning said. "It's been a fun ride."
It sure has -- one of the most fun in NFL history.
"When I came here three years ago, my reputation preceded me," said Colts coach Tony Dungy, considered a defensive mentor while at Tampa Bay. "There was the thought we'd win games 10-6. I'd like to thank him for making us an offensive team."
Manning tends to make everything look easy. Sort of like Young, Montana, Unitas, Warner and Favre did. But all of them have that championship along with their MVPs. Manning doesn't.
And it drives him to do even more.
"I try to do my job and help my team win games," he said. "That's what it's been about for us all along."
Manning is the first Indianapolis player to win MVP. When the Colts were in Baltimore, the award was won by Unitas (1964 and '67), Gino Marchetti (1958), Earl Morrall (1968) and Bert Jones (1976).
"It's difficult to pick one player out of the league and determine who is the most valuable," Dungy said. "Peyton sets the tempo for us. We ask a lot of him and he's certainly delivered."
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January 11, 2005 at 05:55PM View BBCode
Monday, January 10, 2005Associated Press
INDIANAPOLIS -- When Peyton Manning sees his name alongside some of the great players in NFL history, he beams with pride.
Peyton Manning
Manning gets congratulated by Tony Dungy last month after setting the season TD record.
Manning's phenomenal season earned him his second straight Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award -- and he came within one vote of being a unanimous choice. He joined the likes of Joe Montana, John Unitas, Steve Young and Kurt Warner as quarterbacks with two MVP awards. Brett Favre is the only player to win it three times.
"I've thought of myself as something of a [football] historian and someone who appreciates those names," Manning said Monday. "Just being with those names makes it more special and I am very humbled to be on that list."
The Indianapolis Colts star, who surpassed Dan Marino and Young with his passing prowess in 2004, earned all but one of 48 votes from a national panel of sports writers and broadcasters. Manning tied with Steve McNair for the award last season, but this time only Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick drew a vote.
Ever the team man, and ever championship-oriented, Manning refuses to concentrate on his statistics. He threw for 49 touchdowns, surpassing Marino's 20-year-old NFL record. He shattered Young's passer rating record with a 121.1 mark. And he established other league marks and a lot more team records.
But to Manning, unless it all culminates in a championship, it's not what he's after.
"What I accomplished is something special team-wise," he said. "Obviously it helps that the team is winning games, and good things come along with that."
Such good things as leading the Colts to a 12-4 regular-season record and the AFC South title. They routed Denver 49-24 in the first round of the playoffs -- the MVP voting was held before the postseason -- and play at New England on Sunday.
He also turned two of his previously unaccomplished receivers, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley, into threats almost on a par with Manning's favorite target, perennial Pro Bowler Marvin Harrison. All caught at least 10 touchdown passes and went over 1,000 yards in receiving -- an unprecedented combination for three teammates.
Most AP MVPs, by franchise, all-time
Team No. of MVPs
Colts 7*
Packers 6
49ers 5
Rams 4
*P. Manning (2), J. Unitas (2), G. Marchetti, E. Morrall, B. Jones
"If you told me we'd have 49 touchdown passes and break Dan Marino's record, I'd have been the last person to tell you that," Manning said. "It's been a fun ride."
It sure has -- one of the most fun in NFL history.
"When I came here three years ago, my reputation preceded me," said Colts coach Tony Dungy, considered a defensive mentor while at Tampa Bay. "There was the thought we'd win games 10-6. I'd like to thank him for making us an offensive team."
Manning tends to make everything look easy. Sort of like Young, Montana, Unitas, Warner and Favre did. But all of them have that championship along with their MVPs. Manning doesn't.
And it drives him to do even more.
"I try to do my job and help my team win games," he said. "That's what it's been about for us all along."
Manning is the first Indianapolis player to win MVP. When the Colts were in Baltimore, the award was won by Unitas (1964 and '67), Gino Marchetti (1958), Earl Morrall (1968) and Bert Jones (1976).
"It's difficult to pick one player out of the league and determine who is the most valuable," Dungy said. "Peyton sets the tempo for us. We ask a lot of him and he's certainly delivered."
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â?¢ Rare air: Marino, Young lead pro Hall finalists
â?¢ Lovin' Romeo: Pats DC Crennel wows Browns
â?¢ Charge it: Brees wants cash and commitment
â?¢ Bates won't remain with Dolphins, friend Saban
ESPN's Top Headlines
â?¢ Deal time: Vazquez, Green pass Arizona exams
â?¢ Report: Clarett phone linked to Troy Smith ban?
â?¢ Report: Syracuse hires Texas' Robinson
Most Sent Stories
1. Unit gets physical before exam
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3. Moss likely facing $5,000 fine for moon dance
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kingjames0405
January 11, 2005 at 05:56PM View BBCode
whole story on mannings 2nd straight mvp award wow is he great
alphabetagaga
...what the hell am I doing? I'm talking trash about the 2 time NFL MVP!!!
I need a tire iron to the head.
January 11, 2005 at 06:29PM View BBCode
The only thing I don't think Manning does great is scramble around, rolling out of the pocket away from pessure. I don't mean like Vick, or even Culpepper. If he was able to move in the pocket and out of the pocket like Brady, rolling away from pressure, Manning would've had at least a handful more of touchdowns, and possibly even a few less INTs. That's the only real flaw Manning has in his game, standing like a statue in the pocket....what the hell am I doing? I'm talking trash about the 2 time NFL MVP!!!
I need a tire iron to the head.
whiskybear
This piece isn't exactly a glowing example of good sports journalism, but I thought this big stinker really stood out: Somehow, Manning gets credit for turning his receivers into good players. It wasn't their talent. It wasn't their route-running, catching, speed or smarts. It was Peyton Manning.
January 11, 2005 at 06:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by kingjames0405
He also turned two of his previously unaccomplished receivers, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley, into threats almost on a par with Manning's favorite target, perennial Pro Bowler Marvin Harrison. All caught at least 10 touchdown passes and went over 1,000 yards in receiving -- an unprecedented combination for three teammates.
This piece isn't exactly a glowing example of good sports journalism, but I thought this big stinker really stood out: Somehow, Manning gets credit for turning his receivers into good players. It wasn't their talent. It wasn't their route-running, catching, speed or smarts. It was Peyton Manning.
whiskybear
You definitely don't need to be bludgeoned with a blunt instrument. It's a glaring weakness in his game. Most of the great Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks have been able to throw on the run: Montana could. Young could. Elway definitely could. So could Favre. Unitas. Namath. Bradshaw. Tarkenton led the Vikings to three Super Bowls by running around like crazy. Brady can scramble.
You know who couldn't? Marino. And he lost his only attempt.
Playoff quarterbacks need to be able to elude pressure. The best playoff teams are able to do a lot of things, and one of those things is definitely get to the quarterback. Unless Manning's O-Line plays like five men possessed, someone's going to get after him. And that's when the sacks, the incompletions and the dreaded I-N-Ts will start to pile up.
January 11, 2005 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by alphabetagaga
The only thing I don't think Manning does great is scramble around, rolling out of the pocket away from pessure. I don't mean like Vick, or even Culpepper. If he was able to move in the pocket and out of the pocket like Brady, rolling away from pressure, Manning would've had at least a handful more of touchdowns, and possibly even a few less INTs. That's the only real flaw Manning has in his game, standing like a statue in the pocket.
...what the hell am I doing? I'm talking trash about the 2 time NFL MVP!!!
I need a tire iron to the head.
You definitely don't need to be bludgeoned with a blunt instrument. It's a glaring weakness in his game. Most of the great Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks have been able to throw on the run: Montana could. Young could. Elway definitely could. So could Favre. Unitas. Namath. Bradshaw. Tarkenton led the Vikings to three Super Bowls by running around like crazy. Brady can scramble.
You know who couldn't? Marino. And he lost his only attempt.
Playoff quarterbacks need to be able to elude pressure. The best playoff teams are able to do a lot of things, and one of those things is definitely get to the quarterback. Unless Manning's O-Line plays like five men possessed, someone's going to get after him. And that's when the sacks, the incompletions and the dreaded I-N-Ts will start to pile up.
alphabetagaga
So, if the Giants can assemble a decent base of talent around Eli (Mainly on the line, as we all know), we'll probably be talking about Eli beating out Peyton for MVPs.
Although, I doubt Eli will get to 39 TDs, much less 50. So, for the immediate future, Peyton is god.
[Edited on 1-11-2005 by alphabetagaga]
January 11, 2005 at 09:44PM View BBCode
As I remember, most scouts said that, all other factors being equal, between Peyton and Eli, Eli would end probably being the better QB. Why? For two main reasons: 1) Peyton turned down going to Ole Miss, mainly because he wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of trying to live to Archie's reputation as a god. Eli did, and now owns every record in Ole Miss passing history. 2) Eli is proven to be a better athlete from his time in Ole Miss, and showed the ability to roll out of the pocket, evade pressure, and generally be able to make more plays than his big brother.So, if the Giants can assemble a decent base of talent around Eli (Mainly on the line, as we all know), we'll probably be talking about Eli beating out Peyton for MVPs.
Although, I doubt Eli will get to 39 TDs, much less 50. So, for the immediate future, Peyton is god.
[Edited on 1-11-2005 by alphabetagaga]
FuriousGiorge
If anyone read Michael Lewis' article in the NYT a few weeks back about Eli, he essentially came off as a more down-to-earth but way less focused version of his older brother. He didn't really seem to care that much about football and while he may be athletically gifted I would be very surprised to ever see him exceed his very-accomplished older brother. Don't believe the hype about how much better he will be and remember two very important words: Marcus Vick.
January 11, 2005 at 09:54PM View BBCode
Everyone ALWAYS says little brothers will be better than their big brothers. Bill James actually devoted an article in his most recent Baseball Abstract talking about this (there have been lots of brother acts in the majors, from the Delahantys to the Alous to the Boyers and countless others). His conclusion was that younger brothers like Jesus Alou are often considered to be the best athlete in the family because they've been playing for the longest, often since they were only 2 or 3 years old due to their older brothers' fondness for the game. Ultimately growing up catches up to them, and they are either not as far along as they used to be, or simply were never that interested in the first place.If anyone read Michael Lewis' article in the NYT a few weeks back about Eli, he essentially came off as a more down-to-earth but way less focused version of his older brother. He didn't really seem to care that much about football and while he may be athletically gifted I would be very surprised to ever see him exceed his very-accomplished older brother. Don't believe the hype about how much better he will be and remember two very important words: Marcus Vick.
alphabetagaga
But I'm still part of the camp that believes Eli will exceed his brother eventually, at least in terms of making plays. Eli still has a ways to go, however.
January 11, 2005 at 10:02PM View BBCode
Fair enough. Of course one can say Eli will beat Peyton in potential, but potential isn't actualy results (stats, and more importantly, wins).But I'm still part of the camp that believes Eli will exceed his brother eventually, at least in terms of making plays. Eli still has a ways to go, however.
kingjames0405
January 11, 2005 at 10:04PM View BBCode
i think peyton will end up having a better career. just because of all the options he has at the reciever position
Benne
Of course. Jeff George can throw the ball pretty far too.
January 11, 2005 at 10:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by alphabetagaga
Fair enough. Of course one can say Eli will beat Peyton in potential, but potential isn't actualy results (stats, and more importantly, wins).
Of course. Jeff George can throw the ball pretty far too.
Railroad
Peyton is worse than I am when it comes to being mobile. I have 44 Year Old legs with a heart of a 21 year old. But man he sure is fun to watch play!!! I now have to hope they keep James in that backfield.
I agree. . .
January 12, 2005 at 12:33AM View BBCode
Originally posted by alphabetagaga
The only thing I don't think Manning does great is scramble around, rolling out of the pocket away from pessure. I don't mean like Vick, or even Culpepper. If he was able to move in the pocket and out of the pocket like Brady, rolling away from pressure, Manning would've had at least a handful more of touchdowns, and possibly even a few less INTs. That's the only real flaw Manning has in his game, standing like a statue in the pocket.
...what the hell am I doing? I'm talking trash about the 2 time NFL MVP!!!
I need a tire iron to the head.
Peyton is worse than I am when it comes to being mobile. I have 44 Year Old legs with a heart of a 21 year old. But man he sure is fun to watch play!!! I now have to hope they keep James in that backfield.
Railroad
Even when he was holding camp while playing at Tenn. He wanted to play with Stokley. When Baltimore failed to keep him, Peyton was instrumental in his becoming a Colt. Wayne and Stokley both can thank Harrison for helping them in the system and Peyton for knowing where to throw the ball. It is proof that it is a team game.
The kicker is . . .
January 12, 2005 at 12:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Originally posted by kingjames0405
He also turned two of his previously unaccomplished receivers, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley, into threats almost on a par with Manning's favorite target, perennial Pro Bowler Marvin Harrison. All caught at least 10 touchdown passes and went over 1,000 yards in receiving -- an unprecedented combination for three teammates.
This piece isn't exactly a glowing example of good sports journalism, but I thought this big stinker really stood out: Somehow, Manning gets credit for turning his receivers into good players. It wasn't their talent. It wasn't their route-running, catching, speed or smarts. It was Peyton Manning.
Even when he was holding camp while playing at Tenn. He wanted to play with Stokley. When Baltimore failed to keep him, Peyton was instrumental in his becoming a Colt. Wayne and Stokley both can thank Harrison for helping them in the system and Peyton for knowing where to throw the ball. It is proof that it is a team game.
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