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tmnt3
Farm Team League
- Basically the league would be set up like the OCL, with the "ladder" style, however it will only have 2 Divisions (Majors & Minors). The biggest difference is that the league would still consist of 16 owners, just each owner would have two teams. One in the majors and one in the minors. The idea behind this is that you still have the minor league improvements, howevere this gives us the opportunity to see how our players play. It would be more realistic to the game, to know that in the minors the reason your guy improved so much or so little is because of his win/loss record. The minor leagues would have all the stuff the majors would, just the talent wouldn't be all that impressive, so it's young bums against young bums. The talent inflation wouldn't explode because we all know that when you play a 17 y/o in the majors instead of putting 5 CPs on him, he improves slower. The fact of seeing your kid improv and play in the minors also allows to see how much a kid is worth to trade. If he's a C+ 19 y/o, but he's the leading MVP, he's obviously worth alot more than he would be in a normal league.
One of the hardest things to pull off however is the changing of a player from minors to majors. Now, in the OCL what I have seen is that Tyson will just move the team up or down to the next level. Wether it's through cloning players or what not. I'm not certain. However, my idea would involve the same thing. At the end of the season is the only time you can bring a kid up from the minors. If you might want to use him in the majors the next year, but you're not sure he's ready, you bring him up anyways and stick him in the minors in your Major League and put points on him and bring him in when you are ready.
The overall rules would look like this:
- 12 games per day This applies to both Majors and Minors
- Amateur Draft Picks available up to 2 years in advance
- No trading CPS This shouldn't be a problem anyways.
- No Team Name Changes after initial draft. Expansion teams will be given the same restriction, allowed only before the Expansion Draft.
- Limited Name Changes Okay. Player can only change a name once. Cannot have name changed after a trade if traded. Cannot change name after 1st season drafted. No celebrities or athletes. (Alot of this is based on the honor system)
- Must be active. Hopeful for a post on the boards at least 3 times a season, should be more than that!
- Main Fielder Rule 2 Catchers on Major League Roster. Majors: Only C can play at C. Infielders can play any infield position. Outfielders can play any outfield position or 1B. Minors: Any player can be converted to any position prior to appearance in Majors.
Main Pitcher Rule Majors:Rotation 1-4 must be occupied by at least B- Endurance Pitcher. C or better can occupy the 5th Starter. Minors: Any endurance can pitch in any spot of the rotation.
- Nobody under 22 may be in the minors of the Major League Division (w/ CPs). They must be in the Minor leagues on a roster playing or on the waiver wire.
- Nobody above C can be in the minor league of the Minor League Division Basically, you can produce your young 18 and 19 year olds with CPs there, and as soon as they are C+ or better they have to move into actually playing on the team.
- At 24 a player MUST move up to the Majors. It would be the season after their 24th birthday. Leaving them in the minors of the Major League Division is okay.
Major League City & Minor League City don't have to match To give everyone a fun change in the minor league, like the real minors are.
Like i said, the biggest thing is you can watch your players develope, it will decrease inflation (i assume) and overall it would be alot more fun to be doubly active in one league, i think at least.
I have only talked to a few people about this and want to hear your opinion. I mean, if we can get enough people interested to begin with maybe I can get something with Tyson and he can see if it can even work, smoothly and nicely. It's worth a shot if anyone else thinks this might be a pretty cool and fun idea.
Also, I would like to ask as well if you all would be willing to pay a little more for something of this calibur in a league. Whether it goes on Subscription like the OCL or if it's like a flat $60-65 or something. That might make Tyson okay with the idea too.
So let's hear it, anyone have any comments or interested in something like this?
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
New Private League Idea
May 12, 2005 at 01:25AM View BBCode
i have been kicking this idea around to a couple different people, and have sent off the idea to Tyson. So far, I have heard little back, just that he would read it eventually and send me thoughts. I thought I might send out this idea on the board and see if anyone would be interested in a league like this, or any improvements or things that would help to get this league up:Farm Team League
- Basically the league would be set up like the OCL, with the "ladder" style, however it will only have 2 Divisions (Majors & Minors). The biggest difference is that the league would still consist of 16 owners, just each owner would have two teams. One in the majors and one in the minors. The idea behind this is that you still have the minor league improvements, howevere this gives us the opportunity to see how our players play. It would be more realistic to the game, to know that in the minors the reason your guy improved so much or so little is because of his win/loss record. The minor leagues would have all the stuff the majors would, just the talent wouldn't be all that impressive, so it's young bums against young bums. The talent inflation wouldn't explode because we all know that when you play a 17 y/o in the majors instead of putting 5 CPs on him, he improves slower. The fact of seeing your kid improv and play in the minors also allows to see how much a kid is worth to trade. If he's a C+ 19 y/o, but he's the leading MVP, he's obviously worth alot more than he would be in a normal league.
One of the hardest things to pull off however is the changing of a player from minors to majors. Now, in the OCL what I have seen is that Tyson will just move the team up or down to the next level. Wether it's through cloning players or what not. I'm not certain. However, my idea would involve the same thing. At the end of the season is the only time you can bring a kid up from the minors. If you might want to use him in the majors the next year, but you're not sure he's ready, you bring him up anyways and stick him in the minors in your Major League and put points on him and bring him in when you are ready.
The overall rules would look like this:
- 12 games per day This applies to both Majors and Minors
- Amateur Draft Picks available up to 2 years in advance
- No trading CPS This shouldn't be a problem anyways.
- No Team Name Changes after initial draft. Expansion teams will be given the same restriction, allowed only before the Expansion Draft.
- Limited Name Changes Okay. Player can only change a name once. Cannot have name changed after a trade if traded. Cannot change name after 1st season drafted. No celebrities or athletes. (Alot of this is based on the honor system)
- Must be active. Hopeful for a post on the boards at least 3 times a season, should be more than that!
- Main Fielder Rule 2 Catchers on Major League Roster. Majors: Only C can play at C. Infielders can play any infield position. Outfielders can play any outfield position or 1B. Minors: Any player can be converted to any position prior to appearance in Majors.
Main Pitcher Rule Majors:Rotation 1-4 must be occupied by at least B- Endurance Pitcher. C or better can occupy the 5th Starter. Minors: Any endurance can pitch in any spot of the rotation.
- Nobody under 22 may be in the minors of the Major League Division (w/ CPs). They must be in the Minor leagues on a roster playing or on the waiver wire.
- Nobody above C can be in the minor league of the Minor League Division Basically, you can produce your young 18 and 19 year olds with CPs there, and as soon as they are C+ or better they have to move into actually playing on the team.
- At 24 a player MUST move up to the Majors. It would be the season after their 24th birthday. Leaving them in the minors of the Major League Division is okay.
Major League City & Minor League City don't have to match To give everyone a fun change in the minor league, like the real minors are.
Like i said, the biggest thing is you can watch your players develope, it will decrease inflation (i assume) and overall it would be alot more fun to be doubly active in one league, i think at least.
I have only talked to a few people about this and want to hear your opinion. I mean, if we can get enough people interested to begin with maybe I can get something with Tyson and he can see if it can even work, smoothly and nicely. It's worth a shot if anyone else thinks this might be a pretty cool and fun idea.
Also, I would like to ask as well if you all would be willing to pay a little more for something of this calibur in a league. Whether it goes on Subscription like the OCL or if it's like a flat $60-65 or something. That might make Tyson okay with the idea too.
So let's hear it, anyone have any comments or interested in something like this?
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
BleedRed
How do you do this with mentoring?
Are you sure you want to do this with having CP's in the minors? If you get 16 good owners and there are not technical fixes for this (goodness knows Tyson doesn't need too much extra work for one league), perhaps you have a rule saying only 1 CP/player, but then you can put whoever you like in the minors. That's just one thought.
How would the draft(s) work?
Finally, I wonder if, with only once per season movement, this will work as well as you hope . . . but still an interesting idea.
May 12, 2005 at 01:36AM View BBCode
A few major questions that you probably want to try and answer before going too far:How do you do this with mentoring?
Are you sure you want to do this with having CP's in the minors? If you get 16 good owners and there are not technical fixes for this (goodness knows Tyson doesn't need too much extra work for one league), perhaps you have a rule saying only 1 CP/player, but then you can put whoever you like in the minors. That's just one thought.
How would the draft(s) work?
Finally, I wonder if, with only once per season movement, this will work as well as you hope . . . but still an interesting idea.
hobos
May 12, 2005 at 01:36AM View BBCode
If it can be done, then I'd be interested. Not too fond of paying extra money, but I understand why we would need to. I wouldn't promise to join, but I have interest
tmnt3
As for drafts, that was one of my bigger concerns i didn't adress before. The initial drafts would run for both, and intial player movement would begin. If there was a way to have more youth in one of the drafts or something it would work out in some way. As for Ameture Draft, if there is a way to run just an Ammy Draft for the minor league Division, and not majors. Just skip it entirely. I see my flaws, that's why this is an idea to push to get into talks with Tyson, not to get the league entirely.
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
May 12, 2005 at 01:44AM View BBCode
BleedRed I havn't taken mentoring into effect yet, but i thought Tyson said that when it goes into effect, you can have the option to use it in a league or not. And seeing that these would technically be 2 seperate leagues, not really linked other than name, we would turn mentoring off in the minor leagues. But like I said, i don't know all of the technicals, which is what I was trying to talk to Tyson about. I'm not quite sure I understand the CP question. I think it's why would we use our minors in the minors, or why owuld use our minors in the majors? I must be missing something. As for the transitions, i don't know. I guess i see the transition of player a problem. However, I am not one to change a player to the majors from the minors until teh start of the next season anyways, for ROY purposes and stuff like that. I'm dumb when it comes to that. But I think that if everyone had that restriction it wouldn't be too bad. I'm not sure how the player transfer works other than I know they do it in the OCL, so it's possible.As for drafts, that was one of my bigger concerns i didn't adress before. The initial drafts would run for both, and intial player movement would begin. If there was a way to have more youth in one of the drafts or something it would work out in some way. As for Ameture Draft, if there is a way to run just an Ammy Draft for the minor league Division, and not majors. Just skip it entirely. I see my flaws, that's why this is an idea to push to get into talks with Tyson, not to get the league entirely.
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
barterer2002
1. It seems to me that the purpose of this league is to develop a true minor league system with a "true" minor league team. It seems that it would be simplist simply not to have what we currently use as the minors at all then. After all, what you're really doing is developing 12-18 more hitters and 10-13 more pitchers for each team (depending how CPs are used). It seems to me that it would make sense that the minor league team would be comprised only of a 25 man roster with no minor league players available. For the major league team, it strikes me as reasonable to have the rights to a certain number of players who could be called upon in case of an injury, kind of a reserve list, but I'm not certain that those players should be improving. I would say a 30 man roster (25 active and 5 in the "minors") would be reasonable with no extra CPs available.
2. I'm uncertain about the player transfer protocols. I think in the OGL they do it entire teams at a time and not piecemail but assuming its not a problem it would be a good idea I think.
3. I'm assuming that when you say amature draft picks are available two years in advance that we'll be able to trade them two years in advance not that we'll be able to see them two years in advance. I would also guess that he minors would have an amateur draft but that the majors wouldn't.
4. Would players who are on the waiver wire at the age of 24 in the minors automatically move up to the major's waiver wire or would they retire or would they just sit there where nobody could claim them?
5. Would it be possible to have the major/minor league teams match?
Anyway, I'd have some interest possibly. Its an intersting concept.
May 12, 2005 at 01:59AM View BBCode
OK I have some interest but a couple of comments.1. It seems to me that the purpose of this league is to develop a true minor league system with a "true" minor league team. It seems that it would be simplist simply not to have what we currently use as the minors at all then. After all, what you're really doing is developing 12-18 more hitters and 10-13 more pitchers for each team (depending how CPs are used). It seems to me that it would make sense that the minor league team would be comprised only of a 25 man roster with no minor league players available. For the major league team, it strikes me as reasonable to have the rights to a certain number of players who could be called upon in case of an injury, kind of a reserve list, but I'm not certain that those players should be improving. I would say a 30 man roster (25 active and 5 in the "minors") would be reasonable with no extra CPs available.
2. I'm uncertain about the player transfer protocols. I think in the OGL they do it entire teams at a time and not piecemail but assuming its not a problem it would be a good idea I think.
3. I'm assuming that when you say amature draft picks are available two years in advance that we'll be able to trade them two years in advance not that we'll be able to see them two years in advance. I would also guess that he minors would have an amateur draft but that the majors wouldn't.
4. Would players who are on the waiver wire at the age of 24 in the minors automatically move up to the major's waiver wire or would they retire or would they just sit there where nobody could claim them?
5. Would it be possible to have the major/minor league teams match?
Anyway, I'd have some interest possibly. Its an intersting concept.
JLlamas
I suggest not having any minors in the majors, to be able to put 5 CP's on 6 players seems a bit ludacris to me.
May 12, 2005 at 02:02AM View BBCode
I would join, if the payment type works for me.I suggest not having any minors in the majors, to be able to put 5 CP's on 6 players seems a bit ludacris to me.
tmnt3
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
May 12, 2005 at 02:07AM View BBCode
barterer the reason why i don't eliminate the other minors entirely is because Tyson asked to try and make it as simplistic without having to change the system at all. So, it would be kinda an honor code/the commisioner watching out for using the CPs, as well as the fact the the minors of Major League would be the "reserves list" more than an actual place for people to gain points (thus why 22 and under have to be in the Minor League Division or ON the Major League Division 25-man roster. 2 I am not sure how it works, but i assume moving 1 person at a time is prolly alot easier than moving 40....i could be wrong cuz i don't know how it works either. 3 Yes. 4 Never thought of that. I guess they would sit on the waiver wire until someone picked them up, but they would have to be moved to the majors. So, they would prolly just kind float away... 5 Of course the teams could match, this would all depend on league approval and prolly a league vote of which they would prefer. To make things easier, i understand why. Thanks for the input!!![Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
jojo888
May 12, 2005 at 02:34AM View BBCode
I'm very interested in this concept. One question: how would minor leaguers play games AND garner improvement chances? Wouldn't that necessitate a huge code-project?
tmnt3
May 12, 2005 at 04:07AM View BBCode
jojo they would be playing games like normal players, and come the end of the season have an overall gain in improvment chances and successfulness. I guess this actually plays into the reaosn why you wouldn't bring a guy up mid-season and wait til the end of the season. There wouldn't need to be a code-project to fix this so they could have improvements per game, it would be an overall improve at the end of the season, like normal ballers. the only coding project that might be helpful (if it's even a code) is more improvement chances come end of the season for the minor league team....however i don't think that's entirely necessary. if this whole answer is way off base, i apologize.
ME
One issue I see is that for teenagers, they don't improve well in the majors, so if they are in the minor league team's majors, they wouldn't improve as well as if they had 5 CPs until they were 21/22. This would reduce overall talent inflation, so it may not be a bad thing.
As for cities, it would be make it a lot easier (for both the owners and for tyson) to run things if the cities matched.
If I get this right, there is an amatuer draft for the minor league franchise only and not the major league one? Trades may be harder to work out since you'd be involving players from both franchises most of the time, so we'd have to use the message boards to keep track of them.
Also, is there any way to put something on the players' card to show him moving from the minors franchise to the majors franchise?
May 12, 2005 at 05:04AM View BBCode
I have some interest, if this league ever starts it will be in the far future so I'm not sure if I'll have money or not then (I don't have money for another league now).One issue I see is that for teenagers, they don't improve well in the majors, so if they are in the minor league team's majors, they wouldn't improve as well as if they had 5 CPs until they were 21/22. This would reduce overall talent inflation, so it may not be a bad thing.
As for cities, it would be make it a lot easier (for both the owners and for tyson) to run things if the cities matched.
If I get this right, there is an amatuer draft for the minor league franchise only and not the major league one? Trades may be harder to work out since you'd be involving players from both franchises most of the time, so we'd have to use the message boards to keep track of them.
Also, is there any way to put something on the players' card to show him moving from the minors franchise to the majors franchise?
BleedRed
May 12, 2005 at 05:43AM View BBCode
While we are overloading you with issues, you also have to resolve draft order - surely you don't want to draft in the order that the minor league team's finish, do you?
tmnt3
BleedRed Now thinking about the consequences of having the draft order be derived form our minors I gave it some thought and there are 1 of 2 solutions. One is to have a randomized draft order and go into a Live Draft, which would be kinda jumbly. Two see that we DO go by the minor league teams orders. The team with the least amount of prospects are probably going to lose, so them getting a better prospect in the draft wouldn't be too bad. However, countering that, if the most dominant team has no prospects and continue to get #1 overall, that doesn't help our situation either. So that is something to look into as well. Thanks AGAIN for all your advice!
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
May 12, 2005 at 06:30AM View BBCode
ME thanks for proving the point that the talent inflation decrease might not be too bad of a thing. The more i see that matching cities is a better idea, the more i like that idea entirely. I hadn't thought about keeping track of the trading, so a message board header would be a great solution to that. The players card thing would be if Tyson could or would be willing to add that. Thanks for the input!BleedRed Now thinking about the consequences of having the draft order be derived form our minors I gave it some thought and there are 1 of 2 solutions. One is to have a randomized draft order and go into a Live Draft, which would be kinda jumbly. Two see that we DO go by the minor league teams orders. The team with the least amount of prospects are probably going to lose, so them getting a better prospect in the draft wouldn't be too bad. However, countering that, if the most dominant team has no prospects and continue to get #1 overall, that doesn't help our situation either. So that is something to look into as well. Thanks AGAIN for all your advice!
[Edited on 5-12-2005 by tmnt3]
JLlamas
May 12, 2005 at 11:57PM View BBCode
I think the darft should be based on how well the teams finish in the MAjors, just like the MLB.
tmnt3
JLlamas good point.
May 13, 2005 at 05:18AM View BBCode
Ignite glad to hear you interested, and i don't know if it would cost more or not, or if it would go subscription style like the OCL, but if it doesn't hopefully you would join us.JLlamas good point.
chamberlien
Once this get's going, I'm in. I presented an idea like this a month or so ago, but didn't know how to go about it....
June 03, 2005 at 12:26PM View BBCode
We would need the minor league side of the Major league team, if for no other reason then for injury replacements.Once this get's going, I'm in. I presented an idea like this a month or so ago, but didn't know how to go about it....
deanscubs
June 07, 2005 at 05:47AM View BBCode
I'd also be interested in joining, if money allows at the time.Pages: 1