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skierdude44
Ramirez has apparently made it very clear that he wants to leave Boston and wants to come to either New York team. And the Sox patience seems to be wearing thin with him and his antics. Gary Sheffield would likely be more attractive than the Aubrey Huff-Mike Cameron package they were offered at the deadline this year as well.
[url=http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3OTA4ODImeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2]This story[/url] suggests that the Yankees may try to swing a deal for Ramirez via a 3-way trade and retain Gary Sheffield (or deal him to the Twins for Torii Hunter or another team for a good defensive CF with a decent bat) though that seems unlikely.
The idea of Manny Ramirez is intriguing to a Yankees fan, and he would be an upgrade over Sheffield however the Yankees have much bigger issues to deal with. The bullpen and centerfield take priority over a possible blockbuster like this but the first issue to deal with is of course to get a GM, whether it is Cashman, Damon Oppenheimer, or someone from outside the organization. In any case it should be another intriguing Yankee offseason, but will it be a successful one?
Sheffield for Manny?
October 13, 2005 at 04:25PM View BBCode
I've been looking through the sports sections of some of the New York-area news papers and, not surprisingly, there's plenty of articles on how to "fix" the Yankees. One (completely insane) writer even suggested trading both Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang. Anyway, one story that popped up in a variety of different sources was a straight up Gary Sheffield for Manny Ramirez trade.Ramirez has apparently made it very clear that he wants to leave Boston and wants to come to either New York team. And the Sox patience seems to be wearing thin with him and his antics. Gary Sheffield would likely be more attractive than the Aubrey Huff-Mike Cameron package they were offered at the deadline this year as well.
[url=http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3OTA4ODImeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2]This story[/url] suggests that the Yankees may try to swing a deal for Ramirez via a 3-way trade and retain Gary Sheffield (or deal him to the Twins for Torii Hunter or another team for a good defensive CF with a decent bat) though that seems unlikely.
The idea of Manny Ramirez is intriguing to a Yankees fan, and he would be an upgrade over Sheffield however the Yankees have much bigger issues to deal with. The bullpen and centerfield take priority over a possible blockbuster like this but the first issue to deal with is of course to get a GM, whether it is Cashman, Damon Oppenheimer, or someone from outside the organization. In any case it should be another intriguing Yankee offseason, but will it be a successful one?
ProfessorFaggenstein
October 13, 2005 at 04:33PM View BBCode
The Red Sox and Yankees will never, ever make a trade with one another.
yankeekid
October 13, 2005 at 05:16PM View BBCode
Haha. Don't be so sure about that. They've made deals in the past and have talked over them recently. I think the deal would benefit the Yanks a lot. Sheffield is a solid player but not as good as Manny. If Boston would agree, I would agree. Did I hear that Stottlemyre is gone? I would keep Cashman or deal him away I don't really care. As long as we don't get some crappy GM Cashman leaving wouldn't be too bad. Are they re-signing Matsui? I think they probably should but after looking at how he peformed in the playoffs I'm not as sure as I had been.
skierdude44
There's also a rumor that they will sign Brian Giles to play center. Giles is 35 and though he's not quite the hitter he used to be he plays in Petco Park which is not kind to hitters and his road line was an impressive .333/.463/.545. Being a lefty Yankee Stadium's short porch in right could also be helpful. But he's old and he's been a corner outfielder for much of his career - not exactly the young, speedy centerfielder that they are hoping for.
The other thing that I've read that goes somewhat unnoticed is their need at catcher. Now, Jorge Posada is one of the league's best and may be even alittle underrated defensively (look at how he dominated the Angels' running game), but he's 34 and his offensive production slipped a bit this year. He did however hit well (.294/.388/.494) in September which is usually when catchers break down. Rumor has it they will go after Bengie Molina (not likely though) and/or Ramon Hernandez to be the every day catcher and let Posada DH full time. The benefit, aside from extending Posada's career, would be that they could then let go of John Flaherty and let Posada catch on the days that Molina/Hernandez would need a day off and let Sierra/Bernie/etc. DH. The downside is that then Giambi would have to play the field.
Anyway, every report I read agreed that findng another (and most likely new) setup man (as well as possibly other relievers) is the top priority and B.J. Ryan is the top target. He has said that he wants to play for a winner and wouldn't have a problem setting up for a closer like Rivera....
October 13, 2005 at 05:52PM View BBCode
Matsui has been a solid player since coming over here. 5 bad games in the playoffs doesn't change that. The neither he nor the Yankees want to cut ties so he will be back. It's looking like Sheffield's time here may be over. If this Manny deal (which is just a rumor and would have to overcome a lot of obstacles to get done) doesn't happen, he will be shopped for a centerfielder. Torii Hunter would the the prime target, but there are also Mike Cameron and Aaron Rowand +something else rumors. The Yankees have apparently lost interest (though not completely) in Johnny Damon because they feel that he is breaking down and that his throwing arm is possibly worse than Bernie's. And then there's the Juan Pierre rumor as well.There's also a rumor that they will sign Brian Giles to play center. Giles is 35 and though he's not quite the hitter he used to be he plays in Petco Park which is not kind to hitters and his road line was an impressive .333/.463/.545. Being a lefty Yankee Stadium's short porch in right could also be helpful. But he's old and he's been a corner outfielder for much of his career - not exactly the young, speedy centerfielder that they are hoping for.
The other thing that I've read that goes somewhat unnoticed is their need at catcher. Now, Jorge Posada is one of the league's best and may be even alittle underrated defensively (look at how he dominated the Angels' running game), but he's 34 and his offensive production slipped a bit this year. He did however hit well (.294/.388/.494) in September which is usually when catchers break down. Rumor has it they will go after Bengie Molina (not likely though) and/or Ramon Hernandez to be the every day catcher and let Posada DH full time. The benefit, aside from extending Posada's career, would be that they could then let go of John Flaherty and let Posada catch on the days that Molina/Hernandez would need a day off and let Sierra/Bernie/etc. DH. The downside is that then Giambi would have to play the field.
Anyway, every report I read agreed that findng another (and most likely new) setup man (as well as possibly other relievers) is the top priority and B.J. Ryan is the top target. He has said that he wants to play for a winner and wouldn't have a problem setting up for a closer like Rivera....
yankeekid
October 13, 2005 at 07:22PM View BBCode
I would take Damon over Cameron. I have seen Cameron play and hes not that great. Is there any possibility at all that Anduw Jones would be available if the Yankees pull the right strings?
ME
Such as?
October 13, 2005 at 07:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by yankeekid
Haha. Don't be so sure about that. They've made deals in the past and have talked over them recently. I think the deal would benefit the Yanks a lot. Sheffield is a solid player but not as good as Manny. If Boston would agree, I would agree. Did I hear that Stottlemyre is gone? I would keep Cashman or deal him away I don't really care. As long as we don't get some crappy GM Cashman leaving wouldn't be too bad. Are they re-signing Matsui? I think they probably should but after looking at how he peformed in the playoffs I'm not as sure as I had been.
Such as?
folifan19
October 13, 2005 at 08:17PM View BBCode
Manny is 3 + years younger than Sheff. It's a horrible move for Boston. How much longer is Sheff going to play? He's older than me!, and there aren't too many players older than me. He needs to go soon.
ME
October 13, 2005 at 08:20PM View BBCode
Sheffield will be in the last year of his contract next season, while Manny Ramirez is signed for more money for more years. That's why Boston wants to trade him.
barterer2002
October 13, 2005 at 10:13PM View BBCode
Well the Yankees and Red Sox did once agree to trade Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams-at least until the sobered up in the morning.
ABDREW
October 13, 2005 at 10:29PM View BBCode
The Red Sox aren't looking to trade Manny in a salary dump. They are just fed up with the fact htat other than being a great hitter he brings nothing to the table. Add that to the fact they also feel his 20 million a year can be best put to use elsewhere. I see no reason why the RedSox would make a deal like that
FuriousGiorge
October 13, 2005 at 10:40PM View BBCode
Don't forget that they once put him on irrevocable waivers. I think if the Sox could find someone to take his salary, they would - the only problem is that if you trade him to a division rival and he comes back to bite you in the ass, the fans will be pissed. But as long as they take the Manny savings and invest it wisely, the fans shouldn't be too upset.
ABDREW
October 13, 2005 at 10:41PM View BBCode
I should have read the article first. What a bunch of crap that was. First of all all source here say the Spx are expecting a big turn over this year not anywhere close to the report here that they arte planning on resigning all their free agants. There is no way Kevin Millar will be here next year and I seriously doubt Bill Mueller will be either. Secondly The Redsox made an offer to Damon of 4 years at 40 million dollars in spring training and his agent Scott Boras turnewd it down saying he wanted to wait until the end of the year and see what the market brought. Klapisch should have known that. Name me a player that Boras let sign before his contract was up. The guy is famous for dragging every penny out of a team. Manny may get trade and I wouldn't doubt if it is to NY but it will be the Mets. Its speclauted around here that the Mets and Redsox still have the workings of a deal in place from August and will continue talks from there
lvnwrth
Damon will go to the team that puts the most money on the table...period. He is a mercenary, as evidenced by the fact that his agent is Scott Boras. I imagine the Red Sox have as much money to throw at him as anyone, but the Yankees need a centerfielder and Steinbrenner has never been shy about opening his wallet...or vault.
The Red Sox are a team with a number of problem areas that must be addressed. It may be that they decide they can do more with $20 mill than pay Ramirez; and they may decide that they don't want to get into a bidding war with the Yankees over Damon.
October 14, 2005 at 12:06AM View BBCode
Any Ramirez trade is a salary dump, and everyone knows it. As a DH he's qiute overpaid at $20 mill per season, and he can't be the DH in Boston because Ortiz is even worse defensively. If the Red Sox get any decent return for the guy, they ought to do it. It would suck to see him in a Yankee uniform, but how many other teams are willing to eat that contract? Or...how much of that contract are the Red Sox willing to eat in any deal?Damon will go to the team that puts the most money on the table...period. He is a mercenary, as evidenced by the fact that his agent is Scott Boras. I imagine the Red Sox have as much money to throw at him as anyone, but the Yankees need a centerfielder and Steinbrenner has never been shy about opening his wallet...or vault.
The Red Sox are a team with a number of problem areas that must be addressed. It may be that they decide they can do more with $20 mill than pay Ramirez; and they may decide that they don't want to get into a bidding war with the Yankees over Damon.
FiveToolPlayer
There is ZERO chance that Manny will be dealt to the Yankees. That's a stupid rumor. Sure, Manny claims he would like to play there and the Sox would like to be rid of his salary but it won't happen. If Manny is going anywhere, it's to the Mets. Also, Sheffield wouldn't be a fit in the Boston clubhouse and I think he's stated in the past that he hates the city (may have called it racist but I'm not sure about that).
The Red Sox should have 4 or 5 young players in the mix, which has been their plan since this ownership took over. They already have about $95 million in guaranteed payroll and will probably have a target of about $110 to $115 million in budget. Some of that will be ear-marked for Damon, a 1B, and a bullpen pitcher or two.
Don't be surprised if you hear trade rumors about Matt Clement (still has value), Trot Nixon, Bronson Arroyo and maybe even David Wells who claims to be contemplating retirement.
Should be a fun offseason.
October 14, 2005 at 01:11AM View BBCode
I know how people hate hearing about nothing except Red Sox / Yankees but....There is ZERO chance that Manny will be dealt to the Yankees. That's a stupid rumor. Sure, Manny claims he would like to play there and the Sox would like to be rid of his salary but it won't happen. If Manny is going anywhere, it's to the Mets. Also, Sheffield wouldn't be a fit in the Boston clubhouse and I think he's stated in the past that he hates the city (may have called it racist but I'm not sure about that).
The Red Sox should have 4 or 5 young players in the mix, which has been their plan since this ownership took over. They already have about $95 million in guaranteed payroll and will probably have a target of about $110 to $115 million in budget. Some of that will be ear-marked for Damon, a 1B, and a bullpen pitcher or two.
Don't be surprised if you hear trade rumors about Matt Clement (still has value), Trot Nixon, Bronson Arroyo and maybe even David Wells who claims to be contemplating retirement.
Should be a fun offseason.
youngallstar
October 14, 2005 at 01:14AM View BBCode
Manny for Soriano? Texas can handle his salary. Just a thought. Though two hours of sleep in the past few days are draining to ones thought process
hobos
October 14, 2005 at 01:18AM View BBCode
ABDREW, Boras was willing to allow the Rangers to sign Teixeira past his arbitration years, although there was a minimum (being at least a 10 year contract...). He's more than willing, you just need to throw a ludicrous amount of money at him
FuriousGiorge
Haven't you been down this road before with payroll-draining position players? Wouldn't you like to have a, you know, pitcher?
October 14, 2005 at 01:20AM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
Manny for Soriano? Texas can handle his salary. Just a thought. Though two hours of sleep in the past few days are draining to ones thought process
Haven't you been down this road before with payroll-draining position players? Wouldn't you like to have a, you know, pitcher?
youngallstar
Oh I agree. But unfortunately my opinions are not considered during the Ranger offseason
October 14, 2005 at 01:22AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Originally posted by youngallstar
Manny for Soriano? Texas can handle his salary. Just a thought. Though two hours of sleep in the past few days are draining to ones thought process
Haven't you been down this road before with payroll-draining position players? Wouldn't you like to have a, you know, pitcher?
Oh I agree. But unfortunately my opinions are not considered during the Ranger offseason
rkinslow19
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
October 14, 2005 at 01:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by ProfessorFaggenstein
The Red Sox and Yankees will never, ever make a trade with one another.
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
rkinslow19
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
October 14, 2005 at 01:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by ProfessorFaggenstein
The Red Sox and Yankees will never, ever make a trade with one another.
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
rkinslow19
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
October 14, 2005 at 01:49AM View BBCode
Originally posted by ProfessorFaggenstein
The Red Sox and Yankees will never, ever make a trade with one another.
They were gonna swap Dimaggio and Ted Williams, but couldn't agree on salary terms :-)
yankeekid
Don't be so sure about Geoge throwing around all the money. He didn't get Beltran last year because of money and might not get Damon or Manny for the same reason.
October 14, 2005 at 05:08PM View BBCode
Sure it was 60 years ago but he obviously thinks its very important because he posted it 3 times.Originally posted by lvnwrth
Any Ramirez trade is a salary dump, and everyone knows it. As a DH he's qiute overpaid at $20 mill per season, and he can't be the DH in Boston because Ortiz is even worse defensively. If the Red Sox get any decent return for the guy, they ought to do it. It would suck to see him in a Yankee uniform, but how many other teams are willing to eat that contract? Or...how much of that contract are the Red Sox willing to eat in any deal?
Damon will go to the team that puts the most money on the table...period. He is a mercenary, as evidenced by the fact that his agent is Scott Boras. I imagine the Red Sox have as much money to throw at him as anyone, but the Yankees need a centerfielder and Steinbrenner has never been shy about opening his wallet...or vault.
The Red Sox are a team with a number of problem areas that must be addressed. It may be that they decide they can do more with $20 mill than pay Ramirez; and they may decide that they don't want to get into a bidding war with the Yankees over Damon.
Don't be so sure about Geoge throwing around all the money. He didn't get Beltran last year because of money and might not get Damon or Manny for the same reason.
jetpac
Yeah, I read that and just started laughing. Torii Hunter and Barry Zito may be good, but it's not worth trading the first good young talent we've had in what seems like a looooooong time.
October 14, 2005 at 05:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by skierdude44
One (completely insane) writer even suggested trading both Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang.
Yeah, I read that and just started laughing. Torii Hunter and Barry Zito may be good, but it's not worth trading the first good young talent we've had in what seems like a looooooong time.
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