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nuzzy62
He certainly has put up Hall worthy numbers, but how would you rank him amongst pitchers of his generation? I think that also factors in the equation. I'm not including anyone under 30 here or over 50. There may have been other names I've forgotten, but I think Mike would be in the middle of the pack here with some guys like Halladay and Oswalt still having a decent chunk left to their careers.
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Roy Halladay
Curt Schilling
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Kevin Brown
Moose for hall redo
November 26, 2008 at 05:41PM View BBCode
Since the other thread has gone off track....He certainly has put up Hall worthy numbers, but how would you rank him amongst pitchers of his generation? I think that also factors in the equation. I'm not including anyone under 30 here or over 50. There may have been other names I've forgotten, but I think Mike would be in the middle of the pack here with some guys like Halladay and Oswalt still having a decent chunk left to their careers.
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Roy Halladay
Curt Schilling
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Kevin Brown
tm4559
*we do know, none of those guys could handle barry bonds, because barry bonds was the big headed awesome.
November 26, 2008 at 06:22PM View BBCode
nuzzy, you should send a u2 to happy. he is the only one who knows whether a player was any good or not. we like mussina okay, but we have no idea how he compares to those hurlers there.**we do know, none of those guys could handle barry bonds, because barry bonds was the big headed awesome.
whiskybear
November 26, 2008 at 06:25PM View BBCode
Roy Halladay contributed exactly zero to the mapping of the human genome.
dirtdevil
November 26, 2008 at 06:39PM View BBCode
well, as to your list, i'd say that (extra-curricular activities not being a factor) clemens, maddux, martinez, johnson, glavine all get in. brown, pettite do not. smoltz is on the bubble, but i think his post-season success and closer dominance get him in eventually. schilling is also i'd say a bubble guy, along with mussina. the jury is still out on oswalt and halladay, but i'd suggest they're a couple of cy youngs and/or a title or three away. right now i'd give halladay a better shot, assuming he either signs with a contending team next year or toronto gets it's act together, which is unlikely.
nuzzy62
Sarcasm duly noted
November 26, 2008 at 06:39PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Oh nuzzy62, you are the very best of us.
Sarcasm duly noted
barterer2002
Alright, here we go. Ranking of the top 20 pitchers to pitch most or all of their careers between 1985 and 2008
1. Roger Clemens
2. Greg Maddux
3. Randy Johnson
4.Pedro Martinez
5.Tom Glavine
6.Johann Santana
7.David Cone
8.Curt Schilling
9.John Smoltz
10.Roy Halliday
11.Mike Mussina
12.Orel Hershisher
13.Frank Viola
14.Jack Morris
15. Roy Oswalt
16.Tim Hudson
17.Dave Stewart
18.Jimmy Key
19.Bret Saberhagen
20.Jamie Moyer
21.Andy Pettite
22.Kevin Brown
23.Dwight Gooden
24.Doug Drabek
25Mark Mulder
I'm assuming we're not using relievers in here? Otherwise there are a bunch more I'd have to rank.
I suspect you can bicker placement a bit and maybe I forgot a few-I usually do.
November 26, 2008 at 06:45PM View BBCode
Oh I love making lists.Alright, here we go. Ranking of the top 20 pitchers to pitch most or all of their careers between 1985 and 2008
1. Roger Clemens
2. Greg Maddux
3. Randy Johnson
4.Pedro Martinez
5.Tom Glavine
6.Johann Santana
7.David Cone
8.Curt Schilling
9.John Smoltz
10.Roy Halliday
11.Mike Mussina
12.Orel Hershisher
13.Frank Viola
14.Jack Morris
15. Roy Oswalt
16.Tim Hudson
17.Dave Stewart
18.Jimmy Key
19.Bret Saberhagen
20.Jamie Moyer
21.Andy Pettite
22.Kevin Brown
23.Dwight Gooden
24.Doug Drabek
25Mark Mulder
I'm assuming we're not using relievers in here? Otherwise there are a bunch more I'd have to rank.
I suspect you can bicker placement a bit and maybe I forgot a few-I usually do.
whiskybear
(With a spoiler.)
November 26, 2008 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Yeah. It's a yellow Dodge Neon.
(With a spoiler.)
Benne
November 26, 2008 at 06:56PM View BBCode
Tim Hudson is not better than Jamie Moyer. Or Kevin Brown.
tm4559
November 26, 2008 at 07:03PM View BBCode
benne, how dare you dispute bryan's list. what's the matter with you?
tm4559
i see how you could get it mixed up, but i think that is his girlfreind's car.
November 26, 2008 at 07:05PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Yeah. It's a yellow Dodge Neon.
(With a spoiler.)
i see how you could get it mixed up, but i think that is his girlfreind's car.
Benne
November 26, 2008 at 07:14PM View BBCode
Did Tim Hudson ever help feed starving children in Africa? Huh? Huh?
tm4559
November 26, 2008 at 07:16PM View BBCode
now you've figured it out. bryan doesn't care about black people.
happy
and was david cone that good? I didnt realize.
well assuming cone is that good, i think all the guys above Mussina in that list are HOF worthy at least.
November 26, 2008 at 08:05PM View BBCode
Jimmy Key? Huh? did he have a good career? I thought he was an orioleand was david cone that good? I didnt realize.
well assuming cone is that good, i think all the guys above Mussina in that list are HOF worthy at least.
Benne
November 26, 2008 at 08:10PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1680&position=P]David Cone[/url] was, in fact, very good.
tm4559
November 26, 2008 at 08:13PM View BBCode
and his name was cone. that has to count for something.
happy
November 26, 2008 at 08:13PM View BBCode
hmm. well i guess i only really remember his decline. he did have those two really good years with the yankees. maybe i remembered that, i dunno.
barterer2002
Cone twice was in the top ten in MVP voting (1988 and 1994) while Mussina never topped 19th. Cone won the CY and was in the top 5, 4 more times, Mussina was 2nd once and was 4th or 5th,. 5 more times. and 6th twice more.
In short Mussina was usually solid enough to be in the discussion for the best pitcher in the league, although clearly never the best while Cone could be as dominating as anyone when he was right. Cone's career wasn't as consistent as Mussina's (Mussina had 11 seasons of 15 or more wins, and 17 seasons of 10 or more while Cone had 5 seasons of 15 or more and 11 of 10 or more). I can certainly see putting Mussina ahead of Cone but I think the argument is that they're close.
November 26, 2008 at 08:28PM View BBCode
Cone and Mussina are an interesting comparison. Mussina was solidly good for longer. Cone's peaks were better.Cone twice was in the top ten in MVP voting (1988 and 1994) while Mussina never topped 19th. Cone won the CY and was in the top 5, 4 more times, Mussina was 2nd once and was 4th or 5th,. 5 more times. and 6th twice more.
In short Mussina was usually solid enough to be in the discussion for the best pitcher in the league, although clearly never the best while Cone could be as dominating as anyone when he was right. Cone's career wasn't as consistent as Mussina's (Mussina had 11 seasons of 15 or more wins, and 17 seasons of 10 or more while Cone had 5 seasons of 15 or more and 11 of 10 or more). I can certainly see putting Mussina ahead of Cone but I think the argument is that they're close.
dirtdevil
ding ding ding. line of the day, right there.
November 26, 2008 at 08:53PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Jake Peavy is clearly better than all of them.
ding ding ding. line of the day, right there.
happy
i miss jake peavy kid. he was kinda like Hamilton guy's nephew.
[Edited on 11-26-2008 by happy]
November 26, 2008 at 09:12PM View BBCode
i thought that one was kind of an obvious one.i miss jake peavy kid. he was kinda like Hamilton guy's nephew.
[Edited on 11-26-2008 by happy]
drunkengoat
Oh bart.
November 27, 2008 at 12:09AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Oh I love making lists.
Alright, here we go. Ranking of the top 20 pitchers to pitch most or all of their careers between 1985 and 2008
1. Roger Clemens
2. Greg Maddux
3. Randy Johnson
4.Pedro Martinez
5.Tom Glavine
6.Johann Santana
7.David Cone
8.Curt Schilling
9.John Smoltz
10.Roy Halliday
11.Mike Mussina
12.Orel Hershisher
13.Frank Viola
14.Jack Morris
15. Roy Oswalt
16.Tim Hudson
17.Dave Stewart
18.Jimmy Key
19.Bret Saberhagen
20.Jamie Moyer
21.Andy Pettite
22.Kevin Brown
23.Dwight Gooden
24.Doug Drabek
25Mark Mulder
Oh bart.
tm4559
November 27, 2008 at 12:37AM View formatted
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the turkey kicked in early.
happy
November 27, 2008 at 01:16AM View BBCode
I wouldnt be surprised if he didnt send that list into best damn sports show period as his vote (you know, just in case).Pages: 1 2