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ironhorse2ko
2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Jim Thome
4. *A-rod
5. Ken Griffey Jr
6. Sammy Sosa
7. Barry Bonds
8. Larry Walker
Thomas was in my opinion of the best pure hitters ever. Notice I said pure hitter; he could hit for power and average. Not only that but he is one of the few players to still hit for a .300 avg and have over 100 walks and strikeouts in a season. His numbers are solid; he'll get in the hall.
Bags was Thomas counterpart in the NL. His teams really weren't in contention but he was one the better hitters in the NL. Although his name was linked to steriod use I couldn't really see it. As for the hall, good numbers but he's gonna need some help.
Thome just passed Frank Robinson on the career homer chart. I think he'll get to 600. No he wasn't the best at his position; but he was just as consistent as anyone that I've seen. I think really he was underrated during his prime; we have the juicers to think for that. Cooperstown? Just a matter of time.
Just what A-rod's totals would have been had he not cheated? We don't know, just like we don't know if he only juiced for those 3 seasons; it has to be taken at face value, or not. He just reached 100 RBI's in a season for the 14th time, passing Gehrig, Foxx, and yes Ruth. As for Cooperstown, not sure. Pettite admitted and seemingly we have all forgotten. He still goes down as one of the best of all time.
Griffey is in; moving on. But really, he is one of the few standouts that was clean. Remember 98? He was that third guy in the race and finished with 56, the only pure number from that race. Class act through and through.
Sosa. The only hitter in history with the most 50 homer seasons at 4. Getting in...right now, not a chance. He's lumped in with Big Mac. Just too reasonable doubt and he was found to have juiced. Like A-rod, where would his numbers be? I think I know, 425 hrs.
For all the talk surrounding him, Bonds before 2000 was the dominate player in the game with over 400 hrs and 400 stolen bases. He was a five-tool player. As for the hall, not sure, but it doesn't look good anytime soon.
Larry Walker when healthy was one the top five players in the game. Forgotten though is his defense and offensive. As for the Hall, boarderline really.
Potential Hofer's from the steriod era?
September 10, 2010 at 12:55AM View BBCode
1. Frank Thomas2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Jim Thome
4. *A-rod
5. Ken Griffey Jr
6. Sammy Sosa
7. Barry Bonds
8. Larry Walker
Thomas was in my opinion of the best pure hitters ever. Notice I said pure hitter; he could hit for power and average. Not only that but he is one of the few players to still hit for a .300 avg and have over 100 walks and strikeouts in a season. His numbers are solid; he'll get in the hall.
Bags was Thomas counterpart in the NL. His teams really weren't in contention but he was one the better hitters in the NL. Although his name was linked to steriod use I couldn't really see it. As for the hall, good numbers but he's gonna need some help.
Thome just passed Frank Robinson on the career homer chart. I think he'll get to 600. No he wasn't the best at his position; but he was just as consistent as anyone that I've seen. I think really he was underrated during his prime; we have the juicers to think for that. Cooperstown? Just a matter of time.
Just what A-rod's totals would have been had he not cheated? We don't know, just like we don't know if he only juiced for those 3 seasons; it has to be taken at face value, or not. He just reached 100 RBI's in a season for the 14th time, passing Gehrig, Foxx, and yes Ruth. As for Cooperstown, not sure. Pettite admitted and seemingly we have all forgotten. He still goes down as one of the best of all time.
Griffey is in; moving on. But really, he is one of the few standouts that was clean. Remember 98? He was that third guy in the race and finished with 56, the only pure number from that race. Class act through and through.
Sosa. The only hitter in history with the most 50 homer seasons at 4. Getting in...right now, not a chance. He's lumped in with Big Mac. Just too reasonable doubt and he was found to have juiced. Like A-rod, where would his numbers be? I think I know, 425 hrs.
For all the talk surrounding him, Bonds before 2000 was the dominate player in the game with over 400 hrs and 400 stolen bases. He was a five-tool player. As for the hall, not sure, but it doesn't look good anytime soon.
Larry Walker when healthy was one the top five players in the game. Forgotten though is his defense and offensive. As for the Hall, boarderline really.
vurbil
September 10, 2010 at 02:04AM View BBCode
How can you be so sure Griffey never juiced? I'm not saying he did, but there is no way we can know for sure that he didn't.
bpearly69
Thome, I don't believe he did, he's always been a big guy like Thomas.
I had suspicions about A-rod before he got caught, he did get pretty big.
Griffey I believe never has because he had a pretty big decline like your suppose to, his body broke down, he had a ton of injuries, he didn't make magic like recoveries and go bomb 50 homers and have career years, then again you can always use the excuse of, well maybe he never got hurt before because he was juicing, but at the same time, he's been pretty much the same size as when he was a rookie, to his prime, to now, except a little fatter :)
September 10, 2010 at 02:28PM View BBCode
You can't know, you really can't, with how bad it was we'll never know, but the fact that a lot of these guys got a lot bigger, some of them very obvious, I don't believe Thomas used but Bagwell? I'm not sureThome, I don't believe he did, he's always been a big guy like Thomas.
I had suspicions about A-rod before he got caught, he did get pretty big.
Griffey I believe never has because he had a pretty big decline like your suppose to, his body broke down, he had a ton of injuries, he didn't make magic like recoveries and go bomb 50 homers and have career years, then again you can always use the excuse of, well maybe he never got hurt before because he was juicing, but at the same time, he's been pretty much the same size as when he was a rookie, to his prime, to now, except a little fatter :)
tworoosters
Walker's counting numbers aren't what HOF voters tend to look for, maybe they'll look past them but I'm doubtful .
September 10, 2010 at 03:02PM View BBCode
Not sure your list is comprehensive but of those on it I don't think Sosa, Bonds or Walker will get in. Sosa and Bonds are too closely tied to PEDs plus Bonds acrimonoious, to say the least, relationship with the media won't help.Walker's counting numbers aren't what HOF voters tend to look for, maybe they'll look past them but I'm doubtful .
ironhorse2ko
Pujols. As his numbers continue to pile up we are unfortunately are going to have the same talk about him in another 10 yrs.
[Edited on 9-10-2010 by ironhorse2ko]
September 10, 2010 at 03:18PM View BBCode
The whole thing about all these big name players including the ones on this is list is we will never know; your all right. At one point Walker seemed destined for the hall, then that neck injury. Sosa seemed at one one point too, then came the report and his connection with PED's just ended all hall of fame talk for him. But then again the writers for the hall won't be around forever. Give it 20 years. As with Griffey, I really don't know; no one knows. But then again we never heard anything out of either Cinncy or Seatle concerning him and steriods. He gave it everything he had and because of a few players his place in history is being questioned when it shouldn't be. Its really unfortunate. Another guy to look at isPujols. As his numbers continue to pile up we are unfortunately are going to have the same talk about him in another 10 yrs.
[Edited on 9-10-2010 by ironhorse2ko]
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Tyson
September 10, 2010 at 03:47PM View BBCode
The thing about Griffey is that he never even lifted weights until after he hit all those HRs, if memory serves.Tyson
tworoosters
Craig Biggio
Derek Jeter
Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Ichiro
Ivan Rodriguez
also I notice no pitchers on the list , I'm thinking Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman for sure so there is going to be lots of competition over the next decade .
September 10, 2010 at 04:47PM View BBCode
A few other names to consider:Craig Biggio
Derek Jeter
Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Ichiro
Ivan Rodriguez
also I notice no pitchers on the list , I'm thinking Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman for sure so there is going to be lots of competition over the next decade .
DwightKSchrute
September 10, 2010 at 05:24PM View BBCode
If you think the Hall is never going to have users in you're crazy. Barry will get in. Pudge will get in. Manny will get in. A-rod will get in. These are the no-brainers.
barterer2002
September 10, 2010 at 08:22PM View BBCode
Pick any year in history and there are usually 25-50 future Hall of Fame players active. Obviously the more recent years haven't had them enshrined yet so the numbers curve down the closer to present you get but 25-50 is the range you're looking at for any season.
tworoosters
Shep's gone it's okay to let go of this now .
September 10, 2010 at 08:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
Hoffman?!? He's a closer. No Hall for Closers!
Shep's gone it's okay to let go of this now .
Hamilton2
@rooster - haha, that one made me laugh
@khaz - I generally agree that the save stat is absurd. However, Hoffman's career performance has been significanly better than league average for an exceptionally long period of time. I think he merits consideration based on his WHIP, K/9, K:BB and ERA numbers, in addition the the 600 games that he "saved." lol
@Bart - wow. 25-50 HOF caliber guys in any given year? That's really cool. It would be fun to put together a 40-man roster of this year's players and say: these 40 will some day be in the HOF.
September 10, 2010 at 09:26PM View BBCode
@pearly - answer sent, you can delete your post now@rooster - haha, that one made me laugh
@khaz - I generally agree that the save stat is absurd. However, Hoffman's career performance has been significanly better than league average for an exceptionally long period of time. I think he merits consideration based on his WHIP, K/9, K:BB and ERA numbers, in addition the the 600 games that he "saved." lol
@Bart - wow. 25-50 HOF caliber guys in any given year? That's really cool. It would be fun to put together a 40-man roster of this year's players and say: these 40 will some day be in the HOF.
tworoosters
As for "users" I'm sure there will be some known users in the HOF but they will be ones like A-Rod who admitted their errors and bent their knee, Bonds and Sosa are going to have a hard time .
I mean McGwire is stalled at less than 25% and the press didn't hate him, Canseco hit 462 bombs. went 40/40, won a ROY and an MVP and he got 6 votes .
September 10, 2010 at 09:48PM View BBCode
Of all the fallen warriors I miss shep the mostest .As for "users" I'm sure there will be some known users in the HOF but they will be ones like A-Rod who admitted their errors and bent their knee, Bonds and Sosa are going to have a hard time .
I mean McGwire is stalled at less than 25% and the press didn't hate him, Canseco hit 462 bombs. went 40/40, won a ROY and an MVP and he got 6 votes .
tm4559
September 13, 2010 at 04:44PM View BBCode
it doesn't matter if Larry Walker never gets in. it won't change the fact that he was the plain awesome.
folifan19
September 16, 2010 at 05:53PM View BBCode
Just because he's Canadian, doesn't mean he is the awesomes.
khazim
Hoffman is most definitely a notable exception and should go in. It's the same reason that I was happy Goose Gossage finally got in and Eckersly got in (though Eck was a starter for the 1st half of his career). Those three cannot be viewed as anything but notable exceptions.
And yes, the No closers in the HOF is too damn funny to let go of.
September 16, 2010 at 06:19PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hamilton2
@khaz - I generally agree that the save stat is absurd. However, Hoffman's career performance has been significanly better than league average for an exceptionally long period of time. I think he merits consideration based on his WHIP, K/9, K:BB and ERA numbers, in addition the the 600 games that he "saved." lol
Hoffman is most definitely a notable exception and should go in. It's the same reason that I was happy Goose Gossage finally got in and Eckersly got in (though Eck was a starter for the 1st half of his career). Those three cannot be viewed as anything but notable exceptions.
And yes, the No closers in the HOF is too damn funny to let go of.
khazim
To me, Walker was awesome because for a 7 year period, NOBODY tried to tag up and take home on a fly ball hit to Walker without knowing there woudl be a play at the plate. Nobody in the Majors played their position as craftily. I cannot tell you the number of times that a fly ball was hit and Walker held the runners simply by acting as if he was settling in front of the ball only to have to carom off the wall behind him right into his glove, essentially negating any shot at the runners advancing after tagging up.
September 16, 2010 at 06:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by folifan19
Just because he's Canadian, doesn't mean he is the awesomes.
To me, Walker was awesome because for a 7 year period, NOBODY tried to tag up and take home on a fly ball hit to Walker without knowing there woudl be a play at the plate. Nobody in the Majors played their position as craftily. I cannot tell you the number of times that a fly ball was hit and Walker held the runners simply by acting as if he was settling in front of the ball only to have to carom off the wall behind him right into his glove, essentially negating any shot at the runners advancing after tagging up.
tworoosters
It helps :D
September 16, 2010 at 06:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by folifan19
Just because he's Canadian, doesn't mean he is the awesomes.
It helps :D
khazim
September 17, 2010 at 09:37PM View BBCode
You guys also forgot Todd Helton, whose name will be on the ballot his first year of eligibility. I can't say for certain whether he'll ever get in, though.
dirtdevil
September 18, 2010 at 03:32PM View BBCode
my initial guess would be no. don't get me wrong, he was a very good player but my hunch is that since he put up significantly better numbers pre-humidor that the coors field factor will play against him even more than it will walker.
sharbrough
Pedro and Maddux are automatic.
I don't think that Jim Rice has a very good shot.
Of the guys in the hall, I'm going to say that Rickey Henderson juiced. Heck, if Wally Joyner was, who wasn't?
It's likely that a lot of pitchers were - they don't hit homers but they had the weight and injury profiles for it.
September 23, 2010 at 01:02AM View BBCode
Gimme Larry Walker, and keep Todd Helton.Pedro and Maddux are automatic.
I don't think that Jim Rice has a very good shot.
Of the guys in the hall, I'm going to say that Rickey Henderson juiced. Heck, if Wally Joyner was, who wasn't?
It's likely that a lot of pitchers were - they don't hit homers but they had the weight and injury profiles for it.
jetpac
What?
September 23, 2010 at 03:13AM View BBCode
I don't think that Jim Rice has a very good shot.
What?
dirtdevil
September 23, 2010 at 12:47PM View formatted
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i'm assuming he means didn't. or his internet browser is stuck in 2009.
sharbrough
I'm saying that ballplayers have always cheated, and that until the steroids era, they cleansed their sins and let them into the Hall.
September 23, 2010 at 04:43PM View BBCode
Zany. That's all. I liked Jim Rice - he broke bats with checked swings. But HOF? His induction stretched the statistical envelope of what a HOFer looks like. Doesn't matter to me, I like the hall and enjoy it every time I visit. It's a great game, and the process for who gets recognized is too corrupted for me to care either way.I'm saying that ballplayers have always cheated, and that until the steroids era, they cleansed their sins and let them into the Hall.
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