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| Poll: Amercan League MVP Race | |
|---|---|
| Robinson Cano | 4 |
| Josh Hamilton | 4 |
| Miguel Cabrera | 2 |
| Jose Bautista | 1 |
| Paul Konerko | 0 |
tworoosters
The candidates, in my mind, are pretty diverse and all have issues.
Cabrera, Bautista and Konerko have had great years but their teams are out of contention .
Hamilton and Cano have had great years for playoff teams but Hamilton has missed a lot of time and there is a perception, which I don't share, that the Yankees are so potent that Cano isn't that "valuable" to his team .
There are a number of other guys who will get votes, Guerrerro, Longoria, Crawford, Beltre and Mauer among them but I think that the five names on the ballot are the only ones with a chance.
Actually I don't think Bautista or Konerko have a chance but they sure deserve to be on the ballot .
In my mind it's Hamilton and I think he will win as well .
[Edited on 10-3-2010 by tworoosters]
Amercan League MVP Race
October 03, 2010 at 08:01PM View BBCode
Again, vote for who you think we win, and comment below.The candidates, in my mind, are pretty diverse and all have issues.
Cabrera, Bautista and Konerko have had great years but their teams are out of contention .
Hamilton and Cano have had great years for playoff teams but Hamilton has missed a lot of time and there is a perception, which I don't share, that the Yankees are so potent that Cano isn't that "valuable" to his team .
There are a number of other guys who will get votes, Guerrerro, Longoria, Crawford, Beltre and Mauer among them but I think that the five names on the ballot are the only ones with a chance.
Actually I don't think Bautista or Konerko have a chance but they sure deserve to be on the ballot .
In my mind it's Hamilton and I think he will win as well .
[Edited on 10-3-2010 by tworoosters]
dirtdevil
October 03, 2010 at 08:16PM View BBCode
i think it will come down to hamilton and cano. bautista in my mind has been the 'player of the year' but with his team so far out of the race that won't (and shouldn't) translate to mvp votes. myself, i think it will go to cano. hamilton just missed too much time.
barterer2002
October 03, 2010 at 09:47PM View BBCode
I tend to agree that Hamilton, who missed most of September, is a probably out. For me I see the vote coming down to Cano or Cabrera and I think Cabrera will end up winning it.
tm4559
playoff team.
second baseman.
home runs.
rbi.
step forward and be recognized.
October 04, 2010 at 02:23PM View BBCode
i believe cano will win the MVP.playoff team.
second baseman.
home runs.
rbi.
step forward and be recognized.
tm4559
October 04, 2010 at 02:24PM View BBCode
oh and it plays for the yankees. forgot that. slam dunk.
jetpac
Anyways, how often does playing for the Yankees help MVP candidacy? Seems to me it usually hurts, since they almost always have 2 or 3 players siphoning votes from each other.
October 04, 2010 at 06:10PM View BBCode
so now you refer to real people as "it" too?Anyways, how often does playing for the Yankees help MVP candidacy? Seems to me it usually hurts, since they almost always have 2 or 3 players siphoning votes from each other.
barterer2002
In general you're way off base here. Its not as strong a trend as it was when Tim was young but there is no question that the New York market and New York players garner more exposure. If you ask how many games any given person, including most of the writers, have seen the Yankees play-either in person or on TV and then ask how many they've seen of KC, Oakland, Minnesota, Texas, or any other team (maybe not Boston) the number will be significantly weighted towards the Yankees. The truth is that the Yankees get more exposure to national audiences than any other major league team and there is, and will always be, a bias in favor of players you've seen do many good things.
October 04, 2010 at 07:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jetpac
Anyways, how often does playing for the Yankees help MVP candidacy? Seems to me it usually hurts, since they almost always have 2 or 3 players siphoning votes from each other.
In general you're way off base here. Its not as strong a trend as it was when Tim was young but there is no question that the New York market and New York players garner more exposure. If you ask how many games any given person, including most of the writers, have seen the Yankees play-either in person or on TV and then ask how many they've seen of KC, Oakland, Minnesota, Texas, or any other team (maybe not Boston) the number will be significantly weighted towards the Yankees. The truth is that the Yankees get more exposure to national audiences than any other major league team and there is, and will always be, a bias in favor of players you've seen do many good things.
tm4559
October 04, 2010 at 07:20PM View BBCode
in the absence of a really clear cut candidate, the yankee player will win if it is decent, and cano is more than decent, he had a big, big year, and he truly is the best player on that team. i also believe CC Sabathia is going to win the Cy Young.
tworoosters
In today's era of cable, streaming broadcast and satellite I would certainly hope that the members of the BBWA aren't just watching "the game of the week" and since they are the ones voting I don't think New York, or Boston, or Atlanta players have an advantage.
There's no doubt that in earlier times the Yankees media exposure was an advantage but I doubt that's the case today .
I also agree with jetpac that the "multiple candidates" issue and the "the Yankees are so good how can one guy be so valuable" things work against New York candidates , along with the fact that there are as many Yankee haters, maybe more, than Yankee fans.
October 04, 2010 at 07:24PM View BBCode
Bart I think that ship has sailed.In today's era of cable, streaming broadcast and satellite I would certainly hope that the members of the BBWA aren't just watching "the game of the week" and since they are the ones voting I don't think New York, or Boston, or Atlanta players have an advantage.
There's no doubt that in earlier times the Yankees media exposure was an advantage but I doubt that's the case today .
I also agree with jetpac that the "multiple candidates" issue and the "the Yankees are so good how can one guy be so valuable" things work against New York candidates , along with the fact that there are as many Yankee haters, maybe more, than Yankee fans.
tworoosters
Tell that to Jeter after he got jobbed in 2006 .
October 04, 2010 at 07:26PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
in the absence of a really clear cut candidate, the yankee player will win if it is decent
Tell that to Jeter after he got jobbed in 2006 .
tm4559
October 04, 2010 at 07:31PM View BBCode
his girlfriend was too fine. a man can't have everything.
tworoosters
I have no idea who Jeter was dating in '06, Jeter probably doesn't either, but we can be guaranteed she was too fine .
October 04, 2010 at 07:34PM View BBCode
True that.I have no idea who Jeter was dating in '06, Jeter probably doesn't either, but we can be guaranteed she was too fine .
barterer2002
I'll agree that Jeter should have won in 2006. Its the only case I can ever recall of a deserving Yankee being jobbed in any award (a Yankees fan might argue Mattingly in 86 but Clemens was a superior canidate).
The "well the Yankees have more good players so they dilute the award for each other" only holds up when you have multiple MVP potential players on teams and not always then. In the past ten years we've had multiple players from the same team in the top 5 the following incidences
2009 AL Yankees (Teixeira 2nd Jeter 3rd-neither deserved to beat Mauer)
2008 AL Red Sox (Pedroia wins, Youkilis third)
2008 AL Twins (Morneau 2nd, Mauer 4th)
2007 NL Phillies (Rollins wins Howard 5th)
2007 AL Red Sox (Ortiz 4th Lowell 5th)
2005 AL Red Sox (Ortiz 2nd Ramirez 4th)
2004 NL Cardinals (Pujols 3rd Rolen 4th Edmonds 5th)
2004 AL Red Sox (Ramirez 3rd Ortiz 4th)
2003 NL Braves (Sheffield 3rd, Lopez 5th)
2002 AL Yankees (Soriano 3rd Giambi 5th)
2001 AL Mariners (Ichiro 1st, Boone 3rd)
2001 AL Indians (Alomar 4th, Gonzalez 5th)
2000 NL Giants (Kent 1st, Bonds 2nd)
In each of these cases it appears to me that the players with great teammates were not denied rightful MVP awards.
October 04, 2010 at 07:41PM View BBCode
I agree that its not a prevelant as it was once upon a time (I did reference Tim's youth you'll note) but its still there.I'll agree that Jeter should have won in 2006. Its the only case I can ever recall of a deserving Yankee being jobbed in any award (a Yankees fan might argue Mattingly in 86 but Clemens was a superior canidate).
The "well the Yankees have more good players so they dilute the award for each other" only holds up when you have multiple MVP potential players on teams and not always then. In the past ten years we've had multiple players from the same team in the top 5 the following incidences
2009 AL Yankees (Teixeira 2nd Jeter 3rd-neither deserved to beat Mauer)
2008 AL Red Sox (Pedroia wins, Youkilis third)
2008 AL Twins (Morneau 2nd, Mauer 4th)
2007 NL Phillies (Rollins wins Howard 5th)
2007 AL Red Sox (Ortiz 4th Lowell 5th)
2005 AL Red Sox (Ortiz 2nd Ramirez 4th)
2004 NL Cardinals (Pujols 3rd Rolen 4th Edmonds 5th)
2004 AL Red Sox (Ramirez 3rd Ortiz 4th)
2003 NL Braves (Sheffield 3rd, Lopez 5th)
2002 AL Yankees (Soriano 3rd Giambi 5th)
2001 AL Mariners (Ichiro 1st, Boone 3rd)
2001 AL Indians (Alomar 4th, Gonzalez 5th)
2000 NL Giants (Kent 1st, Bonds 2nd)
In each of these cases it appears to me that the players with great teammates were not denied rightful MVP awards.
tm4559
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you can count on one thing. i bet he never even [i]looked[/i] at madonna.
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Tyson
October 05, 2010 at 05:47PM View BBCode
The MVP formula is saying it will be Josh Hamilton, even if Cano wins the Gold Glove. Despite being out the last month of the season, he still only fell 8 hits short of Cano. I'll post an article about this later today.Tyson
tworoosters
I mean to me, Youkilis and Boone were both better candidates than Pedroia and Ichiro and in 2000 the only thing Kent lead Bonds in was Batting average . I'll give Rollins the edge due to defense but really Fielder probably should have won that year anyway.
October 05, 2010 at 06:15PM View BBCode
The funny thing with the "multiple candidates" thing is that, to me anyway, they seem to pick the wrong guy to win more often than not.I mean to me, Youkilis and Boone were both better candidates than Pedroia and Ichiro and in 2000 the only thing Kent lead Bonds in was Batting average . I'll give Rollins the edge due to defense but really Fielder probably should have won that year anyway.
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Tyson
October 05, 2010 at 06:52PM View BBCode
Here's the numbers for this year. I assumed Mauer and Cano would win the gold glove this year:http://www.simdynasty.com/mvp2010.jsp
Tyson
barterer2002
Fielder wasn't the other guy in the running, it was Holliday who is so bad defensively that his home turf in LF will be bare by June where he stands in the same spot for every play.
October 05, 2010 at 07:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
I'll give Rollins the edge due to defense but really Fielder probably should have won that year anyway.
Fielder wasn't the other guy in the running, it was Holliday who is so bad defensively that his home turf in LF will be bare by June where he stands in the same spot for every play.
tworoosters
Fielder finished 3rd at 63% so I'd say he was in the running, Holliday also paid the Coors cost .
October 05, 2010 at 08:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Originally posted by tworoosters
I'll give Rollins the edge due to defense but really Fielder probably should have won that year anyway.
Fielder wasn't the other guy in the running, it was Holliday who is so bad defensively that his home turf in LF will be bare by June where he stands in the same spot for every play.
Fielder finished 3rd at 63% so I'd say he was in the running, Holliday also paid the Coors cost .
barterer2002
October 05, 2010 at 08:42PM View BBCode
Perhaps on the outskirts but that's like saying that Tulowitzki is in the running this year.
tm4559
this made me laugh.
October 05, 2010 at 08:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Fielder wasn't the other guy in the running, it was Holliday who is so bad defensively that his home turf in LF will be bare by June where he stands in the same spot for every play.
this made me laugh.
barterer2002
October 05, 2010 at 10:22PM View BBCode
You really have to see it Tim, I've been to both Colorado and St Louis during the Holliday era (July both times) and in each case there was this large brown spot in LF where the idiot stands for every pitch.Pages: 1 2