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rkinslow19
I was expecting a farewell tour, or more publicity.
I'm pulling for him to get a ring, he's been one of the best players of our lifetime. Keep in mind he hasn't been able to lift any weights in his upper body for the last 4 years. Plus, his strike shortened season was magical.
So, lemme get to the point. Bagwell for the Hall of Fame?
And no, I'm not an Astros fan
Bagwell
October 13, 2005 at 05:38AM View BBCode
I've heard Bagwell might be retiring after this season due to his arthritic shoulder....anyone else hear this?I was expecting a farewell tour, or more publicity.
I'm pulling for him to get a ring, he's been one of the best players of our lifetime. Keep in mind he hasn't been able to lift any weights in his upper body for the last 4 years. Plus, his strike shortened season was magical.
So, lemme get to the point. Bagwell for the Hall of Fame?
And no, I'm not an Astros fan
sycophantman
I see it happening for him, the hall of fame that is. If he could work a couple more seasons and manage a run to 500 home runs it would help his cause. But his batting average in the playoffs is just terrible. I think he has a .232 lifetime post season batting average, ouch...
October 13, 2005 at 12:05PM View BBCode
I hope so, I've been a fan for a while. He plays the game the right way and is a good example for the younger players, as opposed to the majority of players in baseball, brain-locked and ignorant of the fans...I see it happening for him, the hall of fame that is. If he could work a couple more seasons and manage a run to 500 home runs it would help his cause. But his batting average in the playoffs is just terrible. I think he has a .232 lifetime post season batting average, ouch...
barterer2002
October 13, 2005 at 02:00PM View BBCode
One thing to remember. The strike earned Bagwell the MVP award. He had broken his hand just before the strike happened and would have missed at least a month, no doubt knocking him out of the MVP race, probably allowing Matt Williams to lose all his hair but win the race.
folifan19
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bagweje01.shtml
October 13, 2005 at 04:41PM View BBCode
Bagwell should be in. Maybe not on the first try, but very soon after. Here's a link to his #'s. There isn't much he hasn't accomplished. Even has a gold glove.http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bagweje01.shtml
FuriousGiorge
October 13, 2005 at 05:00PM View BBCode
If a guy is a Hall of Famer, he's a Hall of Famer. If he's not, he's not. What's this "first try, second try" crap? I'll never understand that. There's no distinction in the Hall for what ballot you got in on, and I will never for the life of me figure out how a guy can become more worthy for the Hall as we get further from his active playing career.
folifan19
October 13, 2005 at 05:06PM View BBCode
Then why have a player on the ballot more than once if he's not elected? if he's not in on the first try, he's screwed? How about the Veterens Committee? Get rid of that too?
FuriousGiorge
October 13, 2005 at 05:09PM View BBCode
In practice, clearly there are guys who are going to take longer, and worthy candidates who will slip through the cracks and have to go to the VC. In theory, there is no difference between a 1st ballot Hall of Famer and a 2nd ballot Hall of Famer, and when you're discussing someone's merit for the Hall of Fame outside of actually having to vote, there's no reason to make a distinction.
yankeekid
October 13, 2005 at 05:10PM View BBCode
After looking at those stats I would say he deserves in. He had a very impressive year in 1994.
folifan19
I know several guys that post here have a strong dose of man love for Palmeiro, and his 3000 hits and 500 HRs, and all his slugging #'s that go with it. There is also Sosa and his 500+ bombs as well as Bonds, like him or not , his #'s are out of this world. Unless voters lean toward roid users or suspected roid users, Bagwell should go in , first try.
October 13, 2005 at 06:43PM View formatted
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Well, as far as I know, that distinction isn't made in a players HOF bio. Just my opinion, he won't get in on the first ballot. I hope I'm wrong, because he deserves in on any ballot. It's just if he's up aains't players with the "magic" numbers I know you hate discussing, FG, the votes may go elsewhere, and he'll have to wait a year or two.
I know several guys that post here have a strong dose of man love for Palmeiro, and his 3000 hits and 500 HRs, and all his slugging #'s that go with it. There is also Sosa and his 500+ bombs as well as Bonds, like him or not , his #'s are out of this world. Unless voters lean toward roid users or suspected roid users, Bagwell should go in , first try.
Benne
October 13, 2005 at 07:44PM View BBCode
Yankeekid continues to amaze me with his sage wisdom and earth-shattering revelations...
whiskybear
This was exactly my thought in reading Foliage's post. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Benne, meanwhile, continues his long spiral into the cold hell of scorn and resentment and excessive drinking. In short, awesome.
October 13, 2005 at 08:23PM View BBCode
If a guy is a Hall of Famer, he's a Hall of Famer. If he's not, he's not. What's this "first try, second try" crap? I'll never understand that. There's no distinction in the Hall for what ballot you got in on, and I will never for the life of me figure out how a guy can become more worthy for the Hall as we get further from his active playing career.
This was exactly my thought in reading Foliage's post. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Yankeekid continues to amaze me with his sage wisdom and earth-shattering revelations...
Benne, meanwhile, continues his long spiral into the cold hell of scorn and resentment and excessive drinking. In short, awesome.
FuriousGiorge
October 13, 2005 at 08:53PM View BBCode
As if these people didn't have enough trouble telling us apart.
sycophantman
October 13, 2005 at 09:04PM View BBCode
Benne has almost completed his training, soon he will be a master himself. He only has to complete his training in the Himalayas with Furious to be a true warrior of bitterness...
yankeekid
October 14, 2005 at 04:59PM View BBCode
:lol::lol: I have skill in the art of stating the obvious.
JLlamas
October 14, 2005 at 11:14PM View BBCode
Bagwell is my favorite player, and Ive followed his career for a while. He's got very good numbers, and there are a lot of players in the hall of fame with worse stats then he has. And, like Syco said, he's a great person, and a great role-model for the younger players.
yankeekid
I think we've had this argument before. If someone has bad numbers, and the people make a mistake and let him in, that doesn't mean we should let everyone in with numbers as good as better as that person. Now, I think Bagwell deserves in anyway, but that is not one of the reasons.
October 15, 2005 at 02:55AM View BBCode
Originally posted by JLlamas
Bagwell is my favorite player, and Ive followed his career for a while. He's got very good numbers, and there are a lot of players in the hall of fame with worse stats then he has.
I think we've had this argument before. If someone has bad numbers, and the people make a mistake and let him in, that doesn't mean we should let everyone in with numbers as good as better as that person. Now, I think Bagwell deserves in anyway, but that is not one of the reasons.
FuriousGiorge
October 15, 2005 at 05:24AM View BBCode
See Jeter. This is why I like you. This is a quality observation.
ShaggySanchez
October 15, 2005 at 05:54AM View BBCode
Bagwell looks like he is getting ready to take a dump when he is batting. As for him being a role model, wasn't his name whispered some with the steroid accusations.
youngallstar
Wasnt everyones name whispered some with the steroid accusations?
Bagwell deserves the HOF
October 16, 2005 at 12:43AM View BBCode
Originally posted by ShaggySanchez
Bagwell looks like he is getting ready to take a dump when he is batting. As for him being a role model, wasn't his name whispered some with the steroid accusations.
Wasnt everyones name whispered some with the steroid accusations?
Bagwell deserves the HOF
JLlamas
I don't mean to say he deserves to get because they are players worse then him, we all know a lot of bad players have gotten in. But I am saying he has numbers worthy of the hall of fame. Plus he is the only firstbasemen ever to have a 30/30 season (just an interesting fact I thought Id share). Its hard to argue that Bagwell doesnt belong in the hall.
October 16, 2005 at 01:00AM View BBCode
Originally posted by yankeekid
Originally posted by JLlamas
Bagwell is my favorite player, and Ive followed his career for a while. He's got very good numbers, and there are a lot of players in the hall of fame with worse stats then he has.
I think we've had this argument before. If someone has bad numbers, and the people make a mistake and let him in, that doesn't mean we should let everyone in with numbers as good as better as that person. Now, I think Bagwell deserves in anyway, but that is not one of the reasons.
I don't mean to say he deserves to get because they are players worse then him, we all know a lot of bad players have gotten in. But I am saying he has numbers worthy of the hall of fame. Plus he is the only firstbasemen ever to have a 30/30 season (just an interesting fact I thought Id share). Its hard to argue that Bagwell doesnt belong in the hall.
yankeekid
If you didn't mean that you thought that he should get in cuz theirs players worse than him why'd you say so?
October 16, 2005 at 07:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by JLlamas
Originally posted by yankeekid
Originally posted by JLlamas
Bagwell is my favorite player, and Ive followed his career for a while. He's got very good numbers, and there are a lot of players in the hall of fame with worse stats then he has.
I think we've had this argument before. If someone has bad numbers, and the people make a mistake and let him in, that doesn't mean we should let everyone in with numbers as good as better as that person. Now, I think Bagwell deserves in anyway, but that is not one of the reasons.
I don't mean to say he deserves to get because they are players worse then him, we all know a lot of bad players have gotten in. But I am saying he has numbers worthy of the hall of fame. Plus he is the only firstbasemen ever to have a 30/30 season (just an interesting fact I thought Id share). Its hard to argue that Bagwell doesnt belong in the hall.
If you didn't mean that you thought that he should get in cuz theirs players worse than him why'd you say so?
whiskybear
October 16, 2005 at 08:25PM View BBCode
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