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jetpac
Chris Shelton
April 16, 2006 at 10:56PM View BBCode
Where the heck did this guy come from? 8 homers already!
yankeekid
April 17, 2006 at 12:13AM View BBCode
Yes, and I thought Thome was slowing down after his off year but I guess not.
folifan19
April 17, 2006 at 02:57PM View BBCode
Rule 5 draft outa Pittsburgh. Incompetence rules in the Pirate organization. Maybe we can get Kruzecontrol to spout off on the subject.
krusecontrol
It's only because of incompetence on the grandest scale, that he is a Detroit Tiger.
When the Rule 5 draft came along in 2003, the Bucs had 3 spots open on their 40-man roster. If a guy's on the 40-man, no team can pick him up via Rule 5. So as the Bucs brass got together to decide who should be protected and who shouldn't, they came to Shelton. He'd done very well in A ball ... but apparently not good enough. His name wasn't included on the roster. They didn't feel he was good enough to play any one position, didn't see how he fit in.
(It's not as if he was the organization's Minor Leaguer of the Year in 2003 ... oh wait, he was ...)
The Pirates finalized their 40-man and sat back to watch if any Bucs would be taken ... all the while, with THREE empty spots on their 40-man roster.
Detroit snagged him, and thus Shelton had to remain on their big-league roster all season long in 2004 (which he did -- with the Tigers showing good patience knowing he was going to be good).
Detroit was pt, Shelton was patient ... and now he's the talk of baseball ... for Detroit.
sad Shelton story (sad for Pirate fans)
April 17, 2006 at 03:55PM View BBCode
Chris Shelton should be a Pittsburgh Pirate. He should be hitting all those homers in a Pirate uniform.It's only because of incompetence on the grandest scale, that he is a Detroit Tiger.
When the Rule 5 draft came along in 2003, the Bucs had 3 spots open on their 40-man roster. If a guy's on the 40-man, no team can pick him up via Rule 5. So as the Bucs brass got together to decide who should be protected and who shouldn't, they came to Shelton. He'd done very well in A ball ... but apparently not good enough. His name wasn't included on the roster. They didn't feel he was good enough to play any one position, didn't see how he fit in.
(It's not as if he was the organization's Minor Leaguer of the Year in 2003 ... oh wait, he was ...)
The Pirates finalized their 40-man and sat back to watch if any Bucs would be taken ... all the while, with THREE empty spots on their 40-man roster.
Detroit snagged him, and thus Shelton had to remain on their big-league roster all season long in 2004 (which he did -- with the Tigers showing good patience knowing he was going to be good).
Detroit was pt, Shelton was patient ... and now he's the talk of baseball ... for Detroit.
ShaggySanchez
[Edited on 4/17/2006 by ShaggySanchez]
April 17, 2006 at 05:18PM View BBCode
Johan Santana was once left unprotected by Houston and taken in the rule 5 draft by Florida. You can't always know what a guy is going to do when he is in A ball, its not like all last year people were saying that Chris Shelton is going to be a stud next year.[Edited on 4/17/2006 by ShaggySanchez]
krusecontrol
2 points:
1) The Pirates named him Minor Leaguer of the Year (all levels) ... then not 2 months later, left him unprotected. That's ridiculous. This wasn't some unknown guy from nowhere. He was the organization's No. 1 minor league stud in 2003.
2) There were 3 empty spots on their 40-man roster. They had room for him -- it's not like they were making agonizing choices about who to protect and who to take a chance on leaving unprotected!
Pirates/Shelton
April 17, 2006 at 06:11PM View BBCode
It's not even so much about whether or not Shelton would become a great ballplayer.2 points:
1) The Pirates named him Minor Leaguer of the Year (all levels) ... then not 2 months later, left him unprotected. That's ridiculous. This wasn't some unknown guy from nowhere. He was the organization's No. 1 minor league stud in 2003.
2) There were 3 empty spots on their 40-man roster. They had room for him -- it's not like they were making agonizing choices about who to protect and who to take a chance on leaving unprotected!
ABDREW
April 17, 2006 at 06:57PM View BBCode
True, there is no excuse to make when they left 3 slots open on the 40 man roster and chose not to protect him. The kid is on an amazing run but I assume he will cool off exactly like Brian Roberts of BAL did last year.
lvnwrth
1. Pirates have been run poorly, but not as poorly as the Royals.
2. Rule 5 draft IS a crapshoot. In the 1970 Rule 5 draft, the Cardinals picked a 21-year old first baseman from the Red Sox. In April of 1971, the Cardinals decided they had no place for him. So they sent Cecil Cooper back to Boston. Good move, guys.
3. Toronto has about the best record I've seen, back in the 1970's, early 1980's: George Bell, Willie Upshaw, Jim Gott, Jim Acker, Kelly Gruber.
April 17, 2006 at 06:58PM View formatted
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A couple of thoughts:
1. Pirates have been run poorly, but not as poorly as the Royals.
2. Rule 5 draft IS a crapshoot. In the 1970 Rule 5 draft, the Cardinals picked a 21-year old first baseman from the Red Sox. In April of 1971, the Cardinals decided they had no place for him. So they sent Cecil Cooper back to Boston. Good move, guys.
3. Toronto has about the best record I've seen, back in the 1970's, early 1980's: George Bell, Willie Upshaw, Jim Gott, Jim Acker, Kelly Gruber.
FuriousGiorge
Let's be honest - Chris Shelton is a good hitter, but he's not going to turn into Albert Pujols. He's an absolute butcher in the field. And in 2003, when he won that coveted minor league prize, he was a 23 year old who compiled most of his numbers in the Carolina League, which is high-A ball and a place where a 23 year old with a modicum of big league talent SHOULD be dominating. But with that said, it is also clear that the Pirates were way too enamored with the thoughts of their scouts and their bias towards guys who look and act athletic rather than those who can hit the ball hard.
April 17, 2006 at 07:47PM View BBCode
I remember that - the Pirates got massacred in the Rule V that year, being pillaged for (I had to look up the exact numbers) 5 of the first 6 picks in the draft. The reason they left three spots open on the 40-man, according to the team, is because they were saving room for free agents. Of course they spun the debacle of the Rule V as "we have a really good farm system which is able to produce a lot of prospects, so we're running the risk of losing B and B+ prospects so we can keep our top guys". And in their defense, some of the prospects they DIDN'T lose were considered top level players, although none of their highly-touted pitchers has made much of an impact at the major league level yet.Let's be honest - Chris Shelton is a good hitter, but he's not going to turn into Albert Pujols. He's an absolute butcher in the field. And in 2003, when he won that coveted minor league prize, he was a 23 year old who compiled most of his numbers in the Carolina League, which is high-A ball and a place where a 23 year old with a modicum of big league talent SHOULD be dominating. But with that said, it is also clear that the Pirates were way too enamored with the thoughts of their scouts and their bias towards guys who look and act athletic rather than those who can hit the ball hard.
rkinslow19
sell high
April 17, 2006 at 08:09PM View BBCode
advice to any of you who have him in a fantasy league:sell high
barterer2002
http://www.baseballreference.com/f/fieldce01.shtml
April 18, 2006 at 01:08AM View BBCode
I remember the last time a Tigers first baseman came out of nowhere in April to hit lots of home runs. It was 1990 and this fat guy who had been a back up in Toronto and then played in Japan for a year burst onto the scene.http://www.baseballreference.com/f/fieldce01.shtml
Benne
[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/roberbr01.shtml]Yup, he sure turned out well.[/url]
April 18, 2006 at 04:53AM View BBCode
I also rememer the last time someone came out nowhere to hit a bunch of homers in April and people started giving him the MVP already:[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/roberbr01.shtml]Yup, he sure turned out well.[/url]
FuriousGiorge
April 18, 2006 at 04:55AM View BBCode
.314/.387/.515? That's not good enough for you? You're a slave driver.
rkinslow19
April 18, 2006 at 10:41AM View BBCode
I remember when Gabe Kapler hit 2 homers on opening day (maybe 2000?), and then followed up with a hot week, and everyone was annointing him the next great slugger. The bandwagon that can form around 10 well played games never ceases to amaze me
TimSchere
He had a great year, and missed the last three weeks with a horrible injury. He's started off fine this year, but appears to be back to warning-track power (for now, at least). But I guess your point is that he didn't hit that many homers after May, which is true. But then Chris Shelton is twice his size....might have a bit more staying power. Plus, Shelton has hit homers at every pro level, including 18 last year in under 400 ABs, with Comerica as his home park. So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, using Brian Roberts as your example?
[Edited on 4-18-2006 by TimSchere]
April 18, 2006 at 01:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Benne
I also rememer the last time someone came out nowhere to hit a bunch of homers in April and people started giving him the MVP already:
[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/roberbr01.shtml]Yup, he sure turned out well.[/url]
He had a great year, and missed the last three weeks with a horrible injury. He's started off fine this year, but appears to be back to warning-track power (for now, at least). But I guess your point is that he didn't hit that many homers after May, which is true. But then Chris Shelton is twice his size....might have a bit more staying power. Plus, Shelton has hit homers at every pro level, including 18 last year in under 400 ABs, with Comerica as his home park. So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, using Brian Roberts as your example?
[Edited on 4-18-2006 by TimSchere]
rkinslow19
April 18, 2006 at 01:25PM View BBCode
Remember Nike's ridiculously unfounded ad-campaign for its special contact lenses that featured Roberts? They were credited for his excellent performance last season. However, he only wore them during day games, and his night game OPS was nearly .080 higher than his day game OPS (.927 vs .855).
jetpac
April 19, 2006 at 01:14AM View BBCode
so.... Nike's stupid. Could somebody enlighten me on what this has to do with Chris Shelton?
yankeekid
Consider yourself enlightened.
April 19, 2006 at 01:16AM View BBCode
Benne compared Roberts to Shelton. That nike thing was about Roberts.Consider yourself enlightened.
bobcat73
April 19, 2006 at 02:57AM View BBCode
Shack won at every level but the colleage and Pro's up until 1993 and he turned out ok. So guess Chris Shelton might just hit 90 homers this year.
TimSchere
[Edited on 4-19-2006 by TimSchere]
April 19, 2006 at 11:39AM View BBCode
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. So Shelton will probably continue to hit home runs.[Edited on 4-19-2006 by TimSchere]
TimSchere
[Censored] Albert Pujols is on pace for over 100. Holy crap.
April 19, 2006 at 11:43AM View BBCode
Anyway....[Censored] Albert Pujols is on pace for over 100. Holy crap.
yankeekid
[Edited on 4-19-2006 by yankeekid]
April 19, 2006 at 12:21PM View BBCode
Yes, and unlike with Shelton he's not gonna all the sudden just slow down a lot. Obviously he won't hit 100 but he might pull off 60.[Edited on 4-19-2006 by yankeekid]
TimSchere
April 19, 2006 at 12:57PM View BBCode
What do you think the over/under on homers ought to be for Shelton?Pages: 1 2