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Admin
You can see the output for Cincinnati here:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/coachabe.jsp?teamid=36233
I only have 2 tests. Can you think of others? When you're trying to help out a newbie, what kind of tests do you run in your head?
Oh, I can check mentoring. That would be a good one.
Tyson
Coach Abe
April 27, 2007 at 03:32PM View BBCode
I started working on this concept today, basically the idea is to run some common sense tests against your team to give you some advice about what you might be doing wrong.You can see the output for Cincinnati here:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/coachabe.jsp?teamid=36233
I only have 2 tests. Can you think of others? When you're trying to help out a newbie, what kind of tests do you run in your head?
Oh, I can check mentoring. That would be a good one.
Tyson
DeVeau31
For example, if a team has very good rated SP's and a poor bullpen, but is pulling their starters early(too few runs or H+R+BB or whatever), then maybe display a test that would say: (Given the strength of your Starting Pitching and weakness of your Bullpen, you could maximize your pitchers by changing xxx setting) and then giving an example of what they should do?
I know, lots of work and figuring out just the right settings, but damn sweet if we could get it to work.
April 27, 2007 at 03:38PM View BBCode
would there be a way to run the manager settings against the current depth charts skills?For example, if a team has very good rated SP's and a poor bullpen, but is pulling their starters early(too few runs or H+R+BB or whatever), then maybe display a test that would say: (Given the strength of your Starting Pitching and weakness of your Bullpen, you could maximize your pitchers by changing xxx setting) and then giving an example of what they should do?
I know, lots of work and figuring out just the right settings, but damn sweet if we could get it to work.
shutout1277
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April 27, 2007 at 03:41PM View BBCode
your link is bad Tyson:HTTP Status 500 -
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Admin
This is probably a good rule of thumb for beta in general if you think I may be working on something.
Deveau - I'd like to do something with manager prefs, but maybe there are some easier ones to do even in that area, can you think of anything?
Tyson
April 27, 2007 at 04:02PM View BBCode
shutout - it's a work in progress, if you see an error like that, check back in 10 minutes and see if it's still there.This is probably a good rule of thumb for beta in general if you think I may be working on something.
Deveau - I'd like to do something with manager prefs, but maybe there are some easier ones to do even in that area, can you think of anything?
Tyson
shutout1277
what about a defensive coach to go along with the new defensive changes?
April 27, 2007 at 04:10PM View BBCode
under mentoring, what does "BCB" mean?what about a defensive coach to go along with the new defensive changes?
Closer
I think it should be more like, The reason is ABE ONLYassigns 15 invisible coaching points, no matter how many men are on your roster.
April 27, 2007 at 04:16PM View BBCode
I think you should change thisThe reason is that Abe assigns an invisible Coach Point to every player..
I think it should be more like, The reason is ABE ONLYassigns 15 invisible coaching points, no matter how many men are on your roster.
CaseyStengel
Think about including comments about fielding a strong lineup, effect of out-of-position players, playing C or C- pitchers as starters, best youth to vet ratio (how to develop youngsters while still playing vets), mentoring, etc.
April 27, 2007 at 04:17PM View BBCode
This is a good evaluation tool that will help newbies as well as seasoned owners.Think about including comments about fielding a strong lineup, effect of out-of-position players, playing C or C- pitchers as starters, best youth to vet ratio (how to develop youngsters while still playing vets), mentoring, etc.
kittens
Mentoring ... I try very hard to never have mentoring never go below C+ (pitchers and hitters)
Bryce
April 27, 2007 at 04:19PM View BBCode
Howdy Tyson... great idea for ABE COACH. One of the things that is challenging for newbies is the LINEUP I put guys that have high OBP in pos 1 and 2, best hitter 3, best power 4, next best power 5... etc. Perhaps just looking at pos 1 and 2 and check on OBP (.350 or better?).Mentoring ... I try very hard to never have mentoring never go below C+ (pitchers and hitters)
Bryce
Admin
Closer - I think that is inaccurate. If you have 20 players, Abe assigns 20 invisible CPs.
I like your test ideas, quantifying them is another story though. Here are 2 more examples, see if you can come up with something similar:
1) See if you have CPs on older players, like older than 23.
2) See if you have CPs on a player in the minors, while starting a younger player in the majors.
I like the out of position thing. I could quantify that.
The other one I was thinking about was if your team is under .500, more than 50 games into the season, it should test to see if you are playing too many vets.
Tyson
April 27, 2007 at 04:23PM View BBCode
shutout - just some debugging info.Closer - I think that is inaccurate. If you have 20 players, Abe assigns 20 invisible CPs.
I like your test ideas, quantifying them is another story though. Here are 2 more examples, see if you can come up with something similar:
1) See if you have CPs on older players, like older than 23.
2) See if you have CPs on a player in the minors, while starting a younger player in the majors.
I like the out of position thing. I could quantify that.
The other one I was thinking about was if your team is under .500, more than 50 games into the season, it should test to see if you are playing too many vets.
Tyson
Admin
Tyson
April 27, 2007 at 04:25PM View BBCode
Hi Bryce - I'm not sure about lineups, I think people who know baseball know what they are doing there. But maybe there could be some simple checks, like putting a slow guy in the 8th hole is a bad idea, since he'll get bunted over to 2nd a lot by the pitcher, and then may not be able to score from 2nd.Tyson
tworoosters
In manager preferences the simplest would probably be Stolen bases - something like "having C speed players be aggressive is ill advised".
April 27, 2007 at 04:32PM View BBCode
I think line-ups advice is a bit "Big Brotherish", but maybe that's just my "I'm not gonna let the Man tell me what to do" showing through.In manager preferences the simplest would probably be Stolen bases - something like "having C speed players be aggressive is ill advised".
tworoosters
"Hey Pal - 23 guys in the minors with 5 points on the 25 year old 3B is just plain stupid - wake up and read the message boards !"
or
"Dude those draft settings are probably why you've missed the postseason the last 8 years"
We could enlist me and tm to write these if you like:lol::lol:
April 27, 2007 at 04:35PM View BBCode
Hey maybe we can have ABE get some 'tude, you know something like:"Hey Pal - 23 guys in the minors with 5 points on the 25 year old 3B is just plain stupid - wake up and read the message boards !"
or
"Dude those draft settings are probably why you've missed the postseason the last 8 years"
We could enlist me and tm to write these if you like:lol::lol:
barterer2002
Unassigned CPs/Overassigned CPs. Having anything different than 15 assigned CPs is undesirable
Major league lineup (instead of a grade use contending or developmental) for instane: placing the youngest players (those under 25) in the first four spots of the lineup would be a developmental setting while spreading them out through the lineup or using all players over the age of 25 would be a contending lineup.
April 27, 2007 at 05:49PM View BBCode
Rotation use-Typically unless there are other reasons teams use the skip starters in the rotation option and put the best (or the guy they want to develop most) in the number one slot.Unassigned CPs/Overassigned CPs. Having anything different than 15 assigned CPs is undesirable
Major league lineup (instead of a grade use contending or developmental) for instane: placing the youngest players (those under 25) in the first four spots of the lineup would be a developmental setting while spreading them out through the lineup or using all players over the age of 25 would be a contending lineup.
ScooterPie
scooter
April 27, 2007 at 08:35PM View BBCode
Swell addition. Everything I see there looks nice, and I can't come up with anything else just now. One thing, from the "# of minor league players" part:So if you put 5 Coach Points on 3 players, and 0 on 12 players, each 5 Coach Point prospect will have a 6 out of 30 chance of being selected for an improvement chance. If you have 20 players on your minor league team, the chances go to 6 out of 25.This is wrong, idnit? Shouldn't that be 6 out of 35?
scooter
bobcat73
April 28, 2007 at 05:38AM View formatted
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I would think some Aggressiveness to over all team speed ratings might be good regarding "settings coaching".
bobcat73
I would have thought B for mentoring would be more approprate. Over all I love the idea and would liike to see what "Rotation management" which I got a A+ in means...the verbage is only "ok". Anyway I am enjoying the Beta stuff a lot, it's cool to get to play with stuff before it hits the real world.
[Edited on 5-1-2007 by bobcat73]
May 01, 2007 at 05:19AM View BBCode
OK I checked with coach ABE and overall I was A+ in all catagories but mentoring. Now my Starting pitching rating is c, my batter is c+, and BP is @ c+. Honest ABE clearly states that the mentoring score is pulled from my last game played so thats where I got the above numbers from. ABE gave me a A- which seems really high for a club that is border line c+ in two out of three cats and hardley pulls a C in SP mentoring.I would have thought B for mentoring would be more approprate. Over all I love the idea and would liike to see what "Rotation management" which I got a A+ in means...the verbage is only "ok". Anyway I am enjoying the Beta stuff a lot, it's cool to get to play with stuff before it hits the real world.
[Edited on 5-1-2007 by bobcat73]
Admin
As for Mentoring, it was kind of tricky. Let me look at the scoring system again. I didn't want to get too pushy with this one, really it's looking to make sure you understand what Mentoring is and have at least a C+ in all categories. I'm not trying to say you have great mentoring with all C+, but just to say, "Yeah, this guy probably knows what he's doing." I think that fits in with the reasoning behind this page. What do the rest of you think?
Tyson
May 01, 2007 at 02:26PM View BBCode
Rotation management checks to see if you're using the Skip Starters option. That's it.As for Mentoring, it was kind of tricky. Let me look at the scoring system again. I didn't want to get too pushy with this one, really it's looking to make sure you understand what Mentoring is and have at least a C+ in all categories. I'm not trying to say you have great mentoring with all C+, but just to say, "Yeah, this guy probably knows what he's doing." I think that fits in with the reasoning behind this page. What do the rest of you think?
Tyson
barterer2002
May 01, 2007 at 02:27PM View BBCode
Is Coach ABE coming across this month or is it still waiting?
Admin
bart - if in the newbie chat, you find yourself doing logical tests of a team, can you make note of it? The only other biggie I can think of is perhaps seeing if they are over-valuing Control/Power, or trying to develop non-prospects. That might be crossing the line to give advice on though...
Tyson
May 01, 2007 at 02:40PM View BBCode
I'm pushing it through, I added it to the menus yesterday. I figure once it's on the main site, maybe we'll also get some cool ideas for additions from the peanut gallery.bart - if in the newbie chat, you find yourself doing logical tests of a team, can you make note of it? The only other biggie I can think of is perhaps seeing if they are over-valuing Control/Power, or trying to develop non-prospects. That might be crossing the line to give advice on though...
Tyson
kittens
May 01, 2007 at 03:06PM View BBCode
Howdy Tyson, yeah I think that ABE COACH identifying less than C+ mentoring as reasonable. Bryce
kittens
May 04, 2007 at 05:39PM View BBCode
Howdy Tyson, I currently have a F rating for my minor league cps usage. It says that I should generally not assign cps to players over 23. I do not have any cps assigned to players over 23. The only thing I see that may be gumming up the works is that only have 14 minor league players at the moment as I have one on the waiver wire which most likely will come to the minors. Bryce
lvnwrth
If "Rotation Management" only looks for the "Skip Starters" option to be turned on, does it look to see WHO is being skipped. Let's say your #1 SP is a B+/B+ and you have an A/A- in your fourth starter spot, does ABE say, "Hey! Do you know your fourth starter is way better than your first starter? Why are you skipping HIS starts?"
Also, on CP distribution, I have currently have them split 5-4-3-3 and Coach ABE gave me an A+. I have a reason for doing it that way, but if Coach ABE is to help newer managers, shouldn't something pop up, similar to the Rotation Management comment: "Using a 5-5-5 CP distribution will ensure that your three best minor league prospects have the greatest opportunity to improve. Other options are not recommended for other than experienced managers." OR something like that.
[Edited on 5-4-2007 by lvnwrth]
May 04, 2007 at 08:07PM View BBCode
Couple of questions:If "Rotation Management" only looks for the "Skip Starters" option to be turned on, does it look to see WHO is being skipped. Let's say your #1 SP is a B+/B+ and you have an A/A- in your fourth starter spot, does ABE say, "Hey! Do you know your fourth starter is way better than your first starter? Why are you skipping HIS starts?"
Also, on CP distribution, I have currently have them split 5-4-3-3 and Coach ABE gave me an A+. I have a reason for doing it that way, but if Coach ABE is to help newer managers, shouldn't something pop up, similar to the Rotation Management comment: "Using a 5-5-5 CP distribution will ensure that your three best minor league prospects have the greatest opportunity to improve. Other options are not recommended for other than experienced managers." OR something like that.
[Edited on 5-4-2007 by lvnwrth]
Admin
Tyson
May 04, 2007 at 08:27PM View BBCode
I've fixed the CP distribution. I wasn't testing for that specific combination.Tyson
kittens
May 05, 2007 at 12:17AM View BBCode
Howdy Tyson, yep, the problem of wrong message with cps usage and 14 on minor league roster is now working.. thanks BrycePages: 1 2