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FuriousGiorge
The first thing, good work. The second thing, that's some LeBron-level shit. A monkey in a tuxedo would have drafted ARod, and also been hilarious. I mean, just think about it - a monkey in a tuxedo.
February 27, 2010 at 04:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Tyles
((He did trade Mark Langston for Randy Johnson, and he did draft A-Rod.))
The first thing, good work. The second thing, that's some LeBron-level shit. A monkey in a tuxedo would have drafted ARod, and also been hilarious. I mean, just think about it - a monkey in a tuxedo.
Tyles
February 27, 2010 at 04:59AM View BBCode
(Yeah, shep, I know he traded away Joe Morgan and Mike Cuellar. I wasn't trying to measure dicks, just sayin' I hate Woody.)
BKCUBS13
February 27, 2010 at 06:58AM View BBCode
Do you guys think Dwight Gooden is a HOFer? I think he is. If not for a cocaine addiction that derailed his career he would have been a first ballot, easy. But his 197 wins are more than Koufax and both pitchers had primes that lasted for similar brief lengths.
Tyles
[Edited on 2-27-2010 by Tyles]
February 27, 2010 at 07:26AM View BBCode
The Dwight Gooden and Sandy Koufax peaks are not even remotely similar. Koufax isn't quite as great as some would have you believe, given the era in which he pitched and the length of his career. But Koufax's average season is better than every season Gooden pitched except for '85. Plus Koufax didn't pitch for the Mets, amirite Tim?[Edited on 2-27-2010 by Tyles]
barterer2002
Come on Pearly, those Patriots weren't that good. Advantage at 2B and RF you can argue other positions but in general the other two OF positions are a wash as is 1B but 3b/SS/C are significantly in the reds camp and its overall much better in Cincinnati
February 27, 2010 at 10:43AM View BBCode
Originally posted by shep1582
mike cuellar for curt blefary
and a lineup of
C Edwards
1B Bob Watson
2b Joe Morgan
3B Doug Rader
SS Menke (with metzger as def replacement)
LF Staub
CF Cedeno
RF Jimmy Wynn
That's pretty close to Bench, May, Helms, Perez, Concepcion, McRae/Carbo/Foster, Tolan, and Rose
Come on Pearly, those Patriots weren't that good. Advantage at 2B and RF you can argue other positions but in general the other two OF positions are a wash as is 1B but 3b/SS/C are significantly in the reds camp and its overall much better in Cincinnati
shep1582
It's a what if argument anyway, but I think the Astros staff would have been a difference, as well.
February 27, 2010 at 05:13PM View BBCode
I said ALMOST as good, bart. the diff between bench and edwards is negated by morgan helms. watson was better than may. Staub cedeno wynn was every bit as good as platoon/tolan/rose, especially in the 70's before cedeno got hurt. the Reds advantage is ss-3b, and that's where they win out. Rader was a terrific def 3B, as was metzger at SS.It's a what if argument anyway, but I think the Astros staff would have been a difference, as well.
shep1582
February 27, 2010 at 05:15PM View BBCode
Gooden could have had a HOF career, but he didn't.
dirtdevil
February 27, 2010 at 06:14PM View formatted
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you're right, but isn't that the opposite of the argument you were making for bill doran?
tworoosters
Neither of whom, however, were as good as Simmons, Munson or Elston Howard .
I mean I know it's a fun thing and picking personal faves is cool, but Parrish and Freehan along with Bob Boone ?
I haven't had the time or energy to do my own team so I shouldn't chirp but the catcher thing just seems odd to me .
Darryl Porter, Mike Scioscia and Tony Pena were Boone contemporaries who I believe were at least as good as Boone and I don't hear much support for them.
Porter was really, really good but his average sucked at a time when that was very important and he just looked weird .
February 27, 2010 at 07:19PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
he does have two tigers catchers on the list, both of whom were better than matt nokes.
Neither of whom, however, were as good as Simmons, Munson or Elston Howard .
I mean I know it's a fun thing and picking personal faves is cool, but Parrish and Freehan along with Bob Boone ?
I haven't had the time or energy to do my own team so I shouldn't chirp but the catcher thing just seems odd to me .
Darryl Porter, Mike Scioscia and Tony Pena were Boone contemporaries who I believe were at least as good as Boone and I don't hear much support for them.
Porter was really, really good but his average sucked at a time when that was very important and he just looked weird .
shep1582
I'm not making an argument for anyone, really. I threw my team out knowing full well I'd missed some guys and my team was astros heavy.
list your team, please.
I'd like to compile a list and have a vote among us and see who we come up with for the best team not in the HOF.
I've already conceded Thon as a poor choice, craig. I still think he would have been a HOFer had he not gotten beaned. make your list.
Doran was a good ball player, but Whitaker was better.
tr, I think Freehan is the best, but you named some good catchers. Gene Tenace could be in here, too. Boone caught so many games, it's hard to leave him off. He's very similar to Sundberg.
My list is definitely not definitive.
February 27, 2010 at 07:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
you're right, but isn't that the opposite of the argument you were making for bill doran?
I'm not making an argument for anyone, really. I threw my team out knowing full well I'd missed some guys and my team was astros heavy.
list your team, please.
I'd like to compile a list and have a vote among us and see who we come up with for the best team not in the HOF.
I've already conceded Thon as a poor choice, craig. I still think he would have been a HOFer had he not gotten beaned. make your list.
Doran was a good ball player, but Whitaker was better.
tr, I think Freehan is the best, but you named some good catchers. Gene Tenace could be in here, too. Boone caught so many games, it's hard to leave him off. He's very similar to Sundberg.
My list is definitely not definitive.
dirtdevil
i did that two pages ago. you even commented on it.
February 27, 2010 at 08:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by shep1582
list your team, please.
i did that two pages ago. you even commented on it.
dirtdevil
i looked at simmons when i made my own list. i didn't think he was as good offensively as parrish or as good defensively as boone. munson really had only the 3 stellar years. howard i just gapped on. and porter i always found overrated, personally.
February 27, 2010 at 08:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by dirtdevil
he does have two tigers catchers on the list, both of whom were better than matt nokes.
Neither of whom, however, were as good as Simmons, Munson or Elston Howard .
i looked at simmons when i made my own list. i didn't think he was as good offensively as parrish or as good defensively as boone. munson really had only the 3 stellar years. howard i just gapped on. and porter i always found overrated, personally.
Tyles
You mean, at a time when it was thought to be very important. Batting average is just as worthwhile today as it was 20, 30 and 40 years ago. Same with OBP and SLG. (I think that's what you're getting at, anyway, but, you know, the Santo thing.)
February 27, 2010 at 08:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Porter was really, really good but his average sucked at a time when that was very important and he just looked weird .
You mean, at a time when it was thought to be very important. Batting average is just as worthwhile today as it was 20, 30 and 40 years ago. Same with OBP and SLG. (I think that's what you're getting at, anyway, but, you know, the Santo thing.)
shep1582
I'll give it to Sunday night and I'll start a new thread where we can vote.
tr, get yer list in, and someone tell dad he's missing out. (and where's Jon, I thought he liked this kinda chit?)
February 27, 2010 at 08:47PM View BBCode
ok we're not getting too many more pitchers.I'll give it to Sunday night and I'll start a new thread where we can vote.
tr, get yer list in, and someone tell dad he's missing out. (and where's Jon, I thought he liked this kinda chit?)
FuriousGiorge
February 27, 2010 at 08:49PM View BBCode
I don't feel like doing a list, that's a lot of work. I'd rather nitpick everyone else's.
shep1582
February 27, 2010 at 08:52PM View BBCode
well at least throw a few names out we may have missed, ebert.
FuriousGiorge
February 27, 2010 at 08:56PM View BBCode
Meh, that's work too. You people are on it well enough.
Tyles
February 27, 2010 at 09:08PM View BBCode
No one has mentioned Rocky Colavito not that I think he could crack the top three in the outfield he's another one of those dime-a-dozen corner outfield guys but he was a solid player plus he has an awesome name. (breath)
dirtdevil
February 27, 2010 at 09:09PM View BBCode
i haven't seem denny walling, alan ashby, terry puhl or rafael landestoy mentioned yet. that seems like an obvious oversight on someone's part.