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Jon
(There has to be something else in the cards, right? No NFL GM would telegraph his draft intentions so obviously)
March 16, 2010 at 04:27AM View BBCode
[url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2011354495_seahawks_releas_4.html]Well, this came out of left field.[/url] Pete Carroll may as well just come out and say "we're drafting Eric Berry no matter what."(There has to be something else in the cards, right? No NFL GM would telegraph his draft intentions so obviously)
dirtdevil
my best guess is they had already decided that greene was going to be the #1 guy. that wouldn't sit well for jones, understandably. so given that LT is (presumably) ok being the 3rd down guy, that's a better fit for the jets than jones. also, even if jones is adequate out of the backfield, LT is unarguably the better reciever. so he's the better option as the 3rd down back anyway. combine those two things and the fact that you save a bit of money you can potentially spend elsewhere, and you have a pretty solid decision for the jets. assuming, of course, that the guy they've chosen can actually carry the load as a #1 back.
March 16, 2010 at 04:28AM View BBCode
Originally posted by shep1582
am I the only one who thinks the jets are stupid to let Jones go, but sign LT?
it's an uncapped year, why not frontload Jones' deal and keep him?
this makes no sense to me.
can anyone splain it to me?
my best guess is they had already decided that greene was going to be the #1 guy. that wouldn't sit well for jones, understandably. so given that LT is (presumably) ok being the 3rd down guy, that's a better fit for the jets than jones. also, even if jones is adequate out of the backfield, LT is unarguably the better reciever. so he's the better option as the 3rd down back anyway. combine those two things and the fact that you save a bit of money you can potentially spend elsewhere, and you have a pretty solid decision for the jets. assuming, of course, that the guy they've chosen can actually carry the load as a #1 back.
Tyles
Or maybe, I don't know, Taylor Mays, who played for him and is a local product.
Or it could mean nothing, because Deon Grant is almost as terrible as women's basketball.
March 16, 2010 at 04:39AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jon
[url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2011354495_seahawks_releas_4.html]Well, this came out of left field.[/url] Pete Carroll may as well just come out and say "we're drafting Eric Berry no matter what."
(There has to be something else in the cards, right? No NFL GM would telegraph his draft intentions so obviously)
Or maybe, I don't know, Taylor Mays, who played for him and is a local product.
Or it could mean nothing, because Deon Grant is almost as terrible as women's basketball.
Jon
March 16, 2010 at 04:54AM View BBCode
If we draft Taylor Mays I'm throwing myself off the Space Needle.
shep1582
nothing's that terrible.
not even women's hockey.
March 16, 2010 at 05:33AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Tyles
Originally posted by Jon
[url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2011354495_seahawks_releas_4.html]Well, this came out of left field.[/url] Pete Carroll may as well just come out and say "we're drafting Eric Berry no matter what."
(There has to be something else in the cards, right? No NFL GM would telegraph his draft intentions so obviously)
Or maybe, I don't know, Taylor Mays, who played for him and is a local product.
Or it could mean nothing, because Deon Grant is almost as terrible as women's basketball.
nothing's that terrible.
not even women's hockey.
cowboymatt43
1) The Broncos got Brady Quinn. I find this deal a bit curious since Orton did pretty well last season and only stands to do better with more time in the system (and more time with his WRs and TEs). But Marshall had been complaining lately (allegedly) and, thus, perhaps the Broncos' brass thought that Quinn would be more appealing to Marshall than Orton has been. Who knows.
2) The Jones/LT2 discussion has neglected to mention Leon Washington. A few weeks ago the Jets coach made the radio rounds and seemed to imply that Jones was expendable because Greene and Washington were set to carry the load. However, Washington has been recovering from an injury. Thus, LT2 is a cheaper insurance policy for Washington than Jones was. Maybe that's why they did it. Either way, it is a bit odd...
March 16, 2010 at 09:25AM View BBCode
Two things:1) The Broncos got Brady Quinn. I find this deal a bit curious since Orton did pretty well last season and only stands to do better with more time in the system (and more time with his WRs and TEs). But Marshall had been complaining lately (allegedly) and, thus, perhaps the Broncos' brass thought that Quinn would be more appealing to Marshall than Orton has been. Who knows.
2) The Jones/LT2 discussion has neglected to mention Leon Washington. A few weeks ago the Jets coach made the radio rounds and seemed to imply that Jones was expendable because Greene and Washington were set to carry the load. However, Washington has been recovering from an injury. Thus, LT2 is a cheaper insurance policy for Washington than Jones was. Maybe that's why they did it. Either way, it is a bit odd...
albiez
March 16, 2010 at 09:59AM View formatted
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I doubt that that the Broncos see Brady Quinn as anything more than a back-up with upside down the road, they certainly didn't give up much to get him.
thatrogue
I wonder if locker room dynamics have anything to do with it. As I understand things, Jones is well liked in the locker room, and having him around after his demotion to #2 could be problematic (as well as paying him $3 million + to be the backup). It is much harder to be a disruptive force in the locker room when you are gone.
Second year head coach, second year starting QB, second year starting RB...the Jets are working a plan here, to make this the Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez show without any distractions. Kerry Rhodes was considered to be a pretty talented safety, but he made waves and you see how quickly he went away.
[Edited on 3-16-2010 by thatrogue]
March 16, 2010 at 10:54AM View BBCode
Originally posted by shep1582I don't think the Jets care about the rest of their careers...just the 2010 season.
he's a friggin commie. I'd be cranky if I had to live in Canada, too.
you splained it, but I still think it's idiotic reasoning on the Jets part. I knew the reasons you gave, already, tr. I was hoping for something I didn't know. I also never said Jones was a great receiver, I merely pointed out that he caught 56 passes once. He's obviously not a terrible receiver out of the backfield.
I'll bet you $100 dynasty Jones outperforms LT for the rest of their careers.
I wonder if locker room dynamics have anything to do with it. As I understand things, Jones is well liked in the locker room, and having him around after his demotion to #2 could be problematic (as well as paying him $3 million + to be the backup). It is much harder to be a disruptive force in the locker room when you are gone.
Second year head coach, second year starting QB, second year starting RB...the Jets are working a plan here, to make this the Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez show without any distractions. Kerry Rhodes was considered to be a pretty talented safety, but he made waves and you see how quickly he went away.
[Edited on 3-16-2010 by thatrogue]
barterer2002
I think your opinion of Kyle Orton is a bit off here. There are a number of back up QBs around the league that are better served for a starting role than he is.
March 16, 2010 at 02:35PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Two things:
1) The Broncos got Brady Quinn. I find this deal a bit curious since Orton did pretty well last season
I think your opinion of Kyle Orton is a bit off here. There are a number of back up QBs around the league that are better served for a starting role than he is.
shep1582
March 16, 2010 at 04:04PM View BBCode
good points, daren, I go to you for my indepth Jets analysis...
tworoosters
Washington has a couple of things going against him right now, one is that he's coming off a major injury (broken leg) and the other is he's a restricted free agent whose agent is apparently not making any friends in the Jets organization with his demands/tactics.
The bottom line, I feel, with Jones was that he was going to cost $5.8 million this year as a backup and the Jets coaching staff and management also sound as though they were worried about how well Jones would handle backing up after a 1,400 yard season.
Cap year/non cap year. New York or anywhere $3 million is a major chunk of change .
March 16, 2010 at 04:05PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
2) The Jones/LT2 discussion has neglected to mention Leon Washington. A few weeks ago the Jets coach made the radio rounds and seemed to imply that Jones was expendable because Greene and Washington were set to carry the load. However, Washington has been recovering from an injury. Thus, LT2 is a cheaper insurance policy for Washington than Jones was. Maybe that's why they did it. Either way, it is a bit odd...
Washington has a couple of things going against him right now, one is that he's coming off a major injury (broken leg) and the other is he's a restricted free agent whose agent is apparently not making any friends in the Jets organization with his demands/tactics.
The bottom line, I feel, with Jones was that he was going to cost $5.8 million this year as a backup and the Jets coaching staff and management also sound as though they were worried about how well Jones would handle backing up after a 1,400 yard season.
Cap year/non cap year. New York or anywhere $3 million is a major chunk of change .
Jon
[Edited on 3-17-2010 by Jon]
March 17, 2010 at 12:13AM View BBCode
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/eagles-seahawks-swap-defensive-ends/]You gotta be shitting me.[/url][Edited on 3-17-2010 by Jon]
Tyles
March 17, 2010 at 12:25AM View BBCode
And there it is, I'm officially quitting the Seattle Seahawks. Would the other 31 NFL teams kindly forward your credentials to my personal assistant, I'll be interviewing replacements in the next couple of weeks.
Jon
March 17, 2010 at 12:29AM View BBCode
I'm too pissed off for words. This is fucking Bavasi 2.0. Goddamn it.
Tyles
He's one of our more promising defensive players. This isn't like shipping out the next Lawrence Taylor (or even the next Elvis Dumervil), but he's a good, young player. Chris Clemons plays the exact same position but much worse and is four years older. It's not losing Tapp that makes me so livid, it's that this is emblematic of the front office's approach to management -- the "monkey slinging feces" approach, specifically.
March 17, 2010 at 12:35AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Are you guys really that big on Darryl Tapp?
He's one of our more promising defensive players. This isn't like shipping out the next Lawrence Taylor (or even the next Elvis Dumervil), but he's a good, young player. Chris Clemons plays the exact same position but much worse and is four years older. It's not losing Tapp that makes me so livid, it's that this is emblematic of the front office's approach to management -- the "monkey slinging feces" approach, specifically.
FuriousGiorge
March 17, 2010 at 12:38AM View BBCode
Otay. This just seems like one of those "let's swap these two underachieving players for each other and see if their new city has less appealing strip clubs to them so they'll stop focusing so much on tits and focus more on football" type trades.
tworoosters
March 17, 2010 at 12:38AM View BBCode
I don't know Tapp all that well but the buzz is he didn't fit the new scheme so getting a body and a 4th round pick doesn't seem that bad to me .
Jon
Tapp is 25. His best years are still ahead of him. Chris Clemons will be 30 soon and kinda sucks. You don't trade good, young, cheap talented for older, lesser talent if you're serious about rebuilding.
March 17, 2010 at 12:42AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Otay. This just seems like one of those "let's swap these two underachieving players for each other and see if their new city has less appealing strip clubs to them so they'll stop focusing so much on tits and focus more on football" type trades.
Tapp is 25. His best years are still ahead of him. Chris Clemons will be 30 soon and kinda sucks. You don't trade good, young, cheap talented for older, lesser talent if you're serious about rebuilding.
FuriousGiorge
(I'm not sure how much the scenery really changes going from Seattle to Philadelphia. If you really want to give a guy a change of scenery, trade him to the Jazz. All teams with a problematic, underachieving player, no matter what sport, should trade that guy to the Jazz.)
March 17, 2010 at 12:45AM View BBCode
I understand all that Jon, but this is definitely a "change of scenery" trade.(I'm not sure how much the scenery really changes going from Seattle to Philadelphia. If you really want to give a guy a change of scenery, trade him to the Jazz. All teams with a problematic, underachieving player, no matter what sport, should trade that guy to the Jazz.)
Tyles
[Edited on 3-17-2010 by Tyles]
March 17, 2010 at 12:46AM View BBCode
Anyway, I've already eliminated the teams of the AFC West and NFC East, plus the Colts, Patriots and Vikings, from consideration. I'd go with the Saints, but the timing just isn't right there ... too much of a bandwagon move. I'm thinking maybe the Titans, who I've always kind of liked, or their cousins the Texans, in honor of sheppy.[Edited on 3-17-2010 by Tyles]
(Eric)
March 17, 2010 at 12:47AM View BBCode
Jerry Sloan will teach him how to play within the scheme, yes.
Tyles
March 17, 2010 at 12:48AM View BBCode
Jon, you want to pick the same team? We could pick the same team.
Tyles
[Edited on 3-17-2010 by Tyles]
March 17, 2010 at 12:49AM View BBCode
(And the fuckingSteelers, of course, and the rest of the NFC West, but there wasn't ever any question of that.)[Edited on 3-17-2010 by Tyles]