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cowboymatt43
Interestingly, McNabb had more yards and TDs last year than in 2000 and he had more TDs last year than 2008 (and probably would have had more yards barring injuries). In fact, a really solid argument could be made that last season was McNabb's second best season, behind his campaign in 2004 with his 3875 yards, 31 TDs, and a QB rating of 104.7. So I'm not entirely sure if the diminishing returns has started with McNabb.
I really hope this one comes back to bite the Eagles in their collective rear.
April 05, 2010 at 03:41PM View BBCode
Originally posted by BKCUBS13
On paper it looks like it's not enough but actually what they received was good. The problem is the team they traded him to.
1. McNabb will be 34OS for the 2010 season. He's on the last year of his contract and the Eagles had already decided not to resign him. So instead of letting him walk after this season for nothing they decide to trade him now for value and let Kolb take over. Kolb has a much more accurate arm than McNabb and is better match for Reid's Westcoast Offense. I heard Kolb is automatic on the quick slants, which Donovan was not amazing at for much of his career.
2. Eagles receive the 37th pick. This is actually a pretty valuable pick. What I heard is that the 37th pick is like having a first round pick but only having to pay that player second round money. The pick is also good b/c the Eagles feel they have 37 players on their board who they feel are "first round quality". And a 3rd or 4th round pick also has value in the NFL unlike in Sim.
3. I mentioned it before but age is an issue. This is not the same McNabb from 2000 let alone 2008. What made McNabb great for most of his career was his mobility and strength. He's lost alot of quickness and has become susceptible to injuries. He's got at best 3-4 seasons left and injuries will keep on coming. Honestly I think he'll only start 8-10 games for the Redskins before he gets injured(the Was O-line will get him killed).
Honestly I think the trade in itself was about right. But trading him to the a division rival is pretty tough.
Interestingly, McNabb had more yards and TDs last year than in 2000 and he had more TDs last year than 2008 (and probably would have had more yards barring injuries). In fact, a really solid argument could be made that last season was McNabb's second best season, behind his campaign in 2004 with his 3875 yards, 31 TDs, and a QB rating of 104.7. So I'm not entirely sure if the diminishing returns has started with McNabb.
I really hope this one comes back to bite the Eagles in their collective rear.
BKCUBS13
Matt what I meant by "This is not the same McNabb from 2000 let alone 2008." is that he's not the same physically. The statement was a lead in to his health issue rather than his game play.
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by BKCUBS13]
April 05, 2010 at 03:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Originally posted by BKCUBS13
On paper it looks like it's not enough but actually what they received was good. The problem is the team they traded him to.
1. McNabb will be 34OS for the 2010 season. He's on the last year of his contract and the Eagles had already decided not to resign him. So instead of letting him walk after this season for nothing they decide to trade him now for value and let Kolb take over. Kolb has a much more accurate arm than McNabb and is better match for Reid's Westcoast Offense. I heard Kolb is automatic on the quick slants, which Donovan was not amazing at for much of his career.
2. Eagles receive the 37th pick. This is actually a pretty valuable pick. What I heard is that the 37th pick is like having a first round pick but only having to pay that player second round money. The pick is also good b/c the Eagles feel they have 37 players on their board who they feel are "first round quality". And a 3rd or 4th round pick also has value in the NFL unlike in Sim.
3. I mentioned it before but age is an issue. This is not the same McNabb from 2000 let alone 2008. What made McNabb great for most of his career was his mobility and strength. He's lost alot of quickness and has become susceptible to injuries. He's got at best 3-4 seasons left and injuries will keep on coming. Honestly I think he'll only start 8-10 games for the Redskins before he gets injured(the Was O-line will get him killed).
Honestly I think the trade in itself was about right. But trading him to the a division rival is pretty tough.
Interestingly, McNabb had more yards and TDs last year than in 2000 and he had more TDs last year than 2008 (and probably would have had more yards barring injuries). In fact, a really solid argument could be made that last season was McNabb's second best season, behind his campaign in 2004 with his 3875 yards, 31 TDs, and a QB rating of 104.7. So I'm not entirely sure if the diminishing returns has started with McNabb.
I really hope this one comes back to bite the Eagles in their collective rear.
Matt what I meant by "This is not the same McNabb from 2000 let alone 2008." is that he's not the same physically. The statement was a lead in to his health issue rather than his game play.
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by BKCUBS13]
cowboymatt43
I think he still has 4 years or so of solid quarterbacking in him.
April 05, 2010 at 04:14PM View BBCode
True, but McNabb has transitioned to a pretty good pocket passer (as his stats prove). I was one of the people who had written him off...and then he has seasons like he did in 2008 and 2009 with much less mobility than in his early days.I think he still has 4 years or so of solid quarterbacking in him.
BKCUBS13
April 05, 2010 at 04:21PM View BBCode
You also forget that Was has a much more inferior offensive line than Phi. No human being is stronger and healthier at age 35 than they were at 33 or 25. He's going to get pounded. It doesn't matter how good of a pocket passer you are if your laying on your back all the time.
BKCUBS13
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by BKCUBS13]
April 05, 2010 at 04:27PM View BBCode
Football is a great game b/c the individual does not precede the team. Yes Donovan has had a great career but your also ignoring how bad Washington is. There defense is worse than Philly's, there O-line is worse. He goes from having a surplus of young athletic receivers too Santa Moss and a bunch of garb. You can;t just look at his numbers and think he'll play great for Was cause he did for Phi, it doesn't work that way dude. Hope I'm wrong cause I love McNabb(he's a chi-town boy), but I doubt it.[Edited on 4-5-2010 by BKCUBS13]
tworoosters
There had been speculation that they might "reach" for Claussen in round one but that's unlikely now.
April 05, 2010 at 04:35PM View BBCode
I have a feeling that with McNabb in the fold Washington will now certainly address that offensive line issue with the #4 overall pick in the draft with either Okung or Bulaga.There had been speculation that they might "reach" for Claussen in round one but that's unlikely now.
BKCUBS13
April 05, 2010 at 04:38PM View BBCode
Really w. Shannahan at the helm. I still think they take Claussen possibly but if Bradford is there at 4 I think they definitely take him. I've heard Mike's plan is to have McNabb take the team for a few seasons while letting Claussen or Bradford learn. I wouldn't be surprised to see Was do this.
barterer2002
Why does one affect the other. If they have a strained relationship with Kolb (and I'm not sure its true or where you're getting that from) why would that affect what other teams are willing to give up for McNabb?
April 05, 2010 at 04:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Well when your other option is Kolb, who also has a strained relationship with the Eagles brass, then you should want more in return than what the Philly got.
Why does one affect the other. If they have a strained relationship with Kolb (and I'm not sure its true or where you're getting that from) why would that affect what other teams are willing to give up for McNabb?
FuriousGiorge
April 05, 2010 at 04:50PM View BBCode
The Skins are not going to take a QB in the first round.
BKCUBS13
April 05, 2010 at 04:54PM View BBCode
Hey I'm with you I think it would be Stooopid. But I heard if StL passes on Bradford and he drops to 4 than there would be a goooood chance he would be taken.
FuriousGiorge
If it sounds stupid to you, that's probably because it is stupid. Yes, I realize that Shanahan has done at least one weird draft thing that everyone remembers, but that was at least a semi-defensible move. The Redskins are now obviously looking to compete this year. Drafting a QB with their first pick undermines that, and would be considered a huge reach anyway considering what's available and the sort of question marks they have. Disavow yourself of this notion on common sense grounds, rather than listening to Vinny from Long Beach.
April 05, 2010 at 05:01PM View BBCode
And you heard this from who? The archangel Gabriel?If it sounds stupid to you, that's probably because it is stupid. Yes, I realize that Shanahan has done at least one weird draft thing that everyone remembers, but that was at least a semi-defensible move. The Redskins are now obviously looking to compete this year. Drafting a QB with their first pick undermines that, and would be considered a huge reach anyway considering what's available and the sort of question marks they have. Disavow yourself of this notion on common sense grounds, rather than listening to Vinny from Long Beach.
Tyles
(Help me out here, because I don't remember.)
April 05, 2010 at 05:11PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Yes, I realize that Shanahan has done at least one weird draft thing that everyone remembers
(Help me out here, because I don't remember.)
BKCUBS13
April 05, 2010 at 05:13PM View BBCode
I Heard it on while A Martinez and Brian Long were interviewing some football analyst on the radio. And by the way it wouldn't be the first time a team shocked the nation by selecting a player that wasn't a need. jking though just irking you, I agree it prob won't happen and they'll take Okung or Berry. But if they do take a QB with 4th i'll be sure to bring this post back up.
FuriousGiorge
Mo Clarett.
April 05, 2010 at 05:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Tyles
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Yes, I realize that Shanahan has done at least one weird draft thing that everyone remembers
(Help me out here, because I don't remember.)
Mo Clarett.
tm4559
April 05, 2010 at 05:28PM View BBCode
i thought it was supposed to be a lock the redskins were taking a lineman, even before they traded for mcnabb. wasn't it? isn't it?
tworoosters
April 05, 2010 at 05:32PM View BBCode
There were still lots of pundits talking up Claussen at #4 prior to the McNabb trade, now .................not so much.
tworoosters
Whither Jason Campbell ?
April 05, 2010 at 05:53PM View BBCode
This also brings up the obvious question:Whither Jason Campbell ?
cowboymatt43
I don't think he'll do well with Washington. I think he would have done well for several more years with the Eagles, that was what I was trying to communicate (ever so poorly!). The concerns about Washington's line are well-founded. However, my hope is that now that this trade went down McNabb inspires his team twice a year to beat the Eagles.
(Full disclosure, I'm a Cowboys fan.)
April 05, 2010 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by BKCUBS13
Football is a great game b/c the individual does not precede the team. Yes Donovan has had a great career but your also ignoring how bad Washington is. There defense is worse than Philly's, there O-line is worse. He goes from having a surplus of young athletic receivers too Santa Moss and a bunch of garb. You can;t just look at his numbers and think he'll play great for Was cause he did for Phi, it doesn't work that way dude. Hope I'm wrong cause I love McNabb(he's a chi-town boy), but I doubt it.
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by BKCUBS13]
I don't think he'll do well with Washington. I think he would have done well for several more years with the Eagles, that was what I was trying to communicate (ever so poorly!). The concerns about Washington's line are well-founded. However, my hope is that now that this trade went down McNabb inspires his team twice a year to beat the Eagles.
(Full disclosure, I'm a Cowboys fan.)
tm4559
pizza rolls today, and sunny d. mom said you could bring all your friends.
April 05, 2010 at 06:57PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Tyles
Love you too, pop.
pizza rolls today, and sunny d. mom said you could bring all your friends.
cowboymatt43
[quote][i]Originally posted by cowboymatt43[/i]
Well when your other option is Kolb, who also has a strained relationship with the Eagles brass, then you should want more in return than what the Philly got.
[/quote]
Why does one affect the other. If they have a strained relationship with Kolb (and I'm not sure its true or where you're getting that from) why would that affect what other teams are willing to give up for McNabb? [/quote]
My point wasn't that the relationship between Kolb and the Eagles should cause other teams to pay more for McNabb. My point was that the Eagles should have demanded more since Kolb is 1) unproven and 2) he has had a rocky relationship with the team ([url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoC_IZJEwlL9AoFNRDCgf645nYcB?slug=jc-mcnabbtrade040410]apparently Kolb has quietly given the team an ultimatum regarding his playing time...[/url]). In other words, since the other option at QB is a pretty big risk, the Eagles should have demanded more. And if they couldn't get more, then they should have just kept McNabb until, inevitably, another team's starting QB suffered a serious injury.
April 05, 2010 at 06:59PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by barterer2002[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by cowboymatt43[/i]
Well when your other option is Kolb, who also has a strained relationship with the Eagles brass, then you should want more in return than what the Philly got.
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Why does one affect the other. If they have a strained relationship with Kolb (and I'm not sure its true or where you're getting that from) why would that affect what other teams are willing to give up for McNabb? [/quote]
My point wasn't that the relationship between Kolb and the Eagles should cause other teams to pay more for McNabb. My point was that the Eagles should have demanded more since Kolb is 1) unproven and 2) he has had a rocky relationship with the team ([url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoC_IZJEwlL9AoFNRDCgf645nYcB?slug=jc-mcnabbtrade040410]apparently Kolb has quietly given the team an ultimatum regarding his playing time...[/url]). In other words, since the other option at QB is a pretty big risk, the Eagles should have demanded more. And if they couldn't get more, then they should have just kept McNabb until, inevitably, another team's starting QB suffered a serious injury.
cowboymatt43
Not sure...but I would be shocked if Washington doesn't get several offers by Week 4.
April 05, 2010 at 07:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
This also brings up the obvious question:
Whither Jason Campbell ?
Not sure...but I would be shocked if Washington doesn't get several offers by Week 4.
tm4559
(they need all those things, yes they do.)
((they are allowed to trade him, right, and i am not talking about things that cannot happen?))
April 05, 2010 at 07:05PM View BBCode
well, i would think offers are exactly what they want. maybe for somebody that can block. maybe for somebody that can tackle.(they need all those things, yes they do.)
((they are allowed to trade him, right, and i am not talking about things that cannot happen?))