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Benne
A-Rod opts out of contract
October 29, 2007 at 07:25AM View BBCode
Good for him; he deserves better than the shit he put up with in New York. I hope the Yankees lose 100 games next year...
thatrogue
Oddly enough, I could see the Marlins stepping up to take on his contract, considering their current salary structure and team needs. He could create the marketing impact they would need to get the new stadium down in South Florida.
(I do agree that A-Rod was totally mistreated by the Yankees fans and the NY media. Then again, I remember most of the national media and fans being negatively slanted against A-Rod after he signed the last contract...especially considering that Texas' on field performance did not improve following his arrival.)
October 29, 2007 at 09:15AM View BBCode
And I hope A-Rod gets no offers, as frankly, I do not see him deserving $30 million per year to play baseball, especially not over the next ten years. From 38 - 42, that contract will be a HUGE albatross for some team...so six years at $20 - $25 million per is the maximum that makes any risk/return sense for just about any ballclub.Oddly enough, I could see the Marlins stepping up to take on his contract, considering their current salary structure and team needs. He could create the marketing impact they would need to get the new stadium down in South Florida.
(I do agree that A-Rod was totally mistreated by the Yankees fans and the NY media. Then again, I remember most of the national media and fans being negatively slanted against A-Rod after he signed the last contract...especially considering that Texas' on field performance did not improve following his arrival.)
BobbyCox4pres.
October 29, 2007 at 11:12AM View BBCode
I'd say he come to Atlanta and play 1B. That would fill a big hole amongst other things.:puzzled::lol::P:cool:
tm4559
October 29, 2007 at 01:15PM View BBCode
cubs. he will play shortstop. he will do very, very well, as he is the best hitter around. next?
turkob
i wish i felt his opting out had to do with sticking it to the yankees, but i think it has to do with money, you think boras would let him leave dollars on the table? that's not in his operating manual
October 29, 2007 at 01:39PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Benne
Good for him; he deserves better than the <b>[Censored]</b> he put up with in New York. I hope the Yankees lose 100 games next year...
i wish i felt his opting out had to do with sticking it to the yankees, but i think it has to do with money, you think boras would let him leave dollars on the table? that's not in his operating manual
dunn_acolyte
October 29, 2007 at 01:47PM View BBCode
No A-Rod needs to stay in American League where he is comfortable and dominant rather than having to learn a lot of new pitchers and go through an adjustment period that most players that change leagues have to(of course he could be exception). I just think it was perfect timing(tongue-in-cheek) the announcement being made to make the most impact on a national stage whether it was decision made by Boras the agent or A-Rod himself it was kind of self-serving but that is most people's opinions of both of them anyway.
barterer2002
I don't know where he's going to end up but I'm fairly certain of a couple of things.
1) he's not going to be playing shortstop.
2) He's likely to be playing 3B whereever he goes-I don't see him making the position change again besides, he's a better thirdbaseman than guys like Chipper Jones, Miguel Cabrera, and Aramis Ramirez etc anyway.
More interesting to me is where Mike Lowell ends up. There are only a few teams that will be able to afford A-Rod (and my money is on San Fran or Anaheim) but many who will look at Lowell although I'm somewhat expecting him to go back to the Yankees.
October 29, 2007 at 01:57PM View BBCode
Clearly the timing of the announcement was self serving and wrong.I don't know where he's going to end up but I'm fairly certain of a couple of things.
1) he's not going to be playing shortstop.
2) He's likely to be playing 3B whereever he goes-I don't see him making the position change again besides, he's a better thirdbaseman than guys like Chipper Jones, Miguel Cabrera, and Aramis Ramirez etc anyway.
More interesting to me is where Mike Lowell ends up. There are only a few teams that will be able to afford A-Rod (and my money is on San Fran or Anaheim) but many who will look at Lowell although I'm somewhat expecting him to go back to the Yankees.
tm4559
October 29, 2007 at 02:08PM View BBCode
oh i don't know. you know what the position conversion would consist of? A Rod would take his glove, and go out and play shortstop. he can't make the plays the guy that plays short for the cubs makes now? he would bat third, or wherever he wanted to bat. third base. christ, we have the yankees to thank for that crap.
FuriousGiorge
Little known fact - a clause in the contract Rodriguez was originally offered by the Rangers required him to take the mound in every single Rangers game, for a minimum of 5 innings per game. ARod was all set to sign it, but balked at the fact that he would have to wear the name "Savior" on the back of his jersey. When he refused to sign, that was the beginning of the end for his relationship with Rangers fans.
October 29, 2007 at 02:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by thatrogue
Then again, I remember most of the national media and fans being negatively slanted against A-Rod after he signed the last contract...especially considering that Texas' on field performance did not improve following his arrival.
Little known fact - a clause in the contract Rodriguez was originally offered by the Rangers required him to take the mound in every single Rangers game, for a minimum of 5 innings per game. ARod was all set to sign it, but balked at the fact that he would have to wear the name "Savior" on the back of his jersey. When he refused to sign, that was the beginning of the end for his relationship with Rangers fans.
turkob
October 29, 2007 at 02:56PM View BBCode
well he did miss one game in his three seasons there, and his third season his ops dropped to under 1.000
barterer2002
C-SS-2B/CF-3B-RF-LF/1B
October 29, 2007 at 02:58PM View BBCode
In general players who slide down the position chart don't climb back up it after 4 seasons at the new position. I haven't looked but am not certain that you can find me anyone in baseball history (at least since 1900) who has done it. Obviously the chart is as followsC-SS-2B/CF-3B-RF-LF/1B
FuriousGiorge
October 29, 2007 at 03:00PM View BBCode
Except most of the people who move right do so because the don't have the chops to play the more demanding position anymore. ARod moved right because Mr. Team-First-All-The-Time refused to move, despite the fact that he was clearly the less skilled defensive player.
barterer2002
October 29, 2007 at 03:06PM View BBCode
The reasoning for the move is not in dispute, I still don't see A-Rod moving back. I think he's 20-30 pounds heavier than he was 4 years ago.
FuriousGiorge
I have no doubt that ARod could move back to short and be more than adequate at it, but I also believe that most executives are devoid of vision and see him as a 3rd baseman now, to the exclusion of anything else. And I also think he'll be an Angel.
October 29, 2007 at 03:11PM View BBCode
He may very well not, but the fact that you're citing this long history of precedent is kind of irrelevant since this situation is different from most others. I can't think of a single other situation where a top player at a key defensive position was forced to move to a lesser position in the prime of his career because he went to another team that already had that position filled.I have no doubt that ARod could move back to short and be more than adequate at it, but I also believe that most executives are devoid of vision and see him as a 3rd baseman now, to the exclusion of anything else. And I also think he'll be an Angel.
tm4559
October 29, 2007 at 03:13PM View BBCode
i don't think he will move back, bart, if he goes to a team that already has a shortstop that can hit, and no third baseman. if he goes to a team that has a third baseman that can hit, and a great defender at shortstop who cannot, said great defender is going to hit the road, and will not be missed.
Faceman
Did Cal Ripken Jr put on weight as he played? He did fine.
And his opting out is more about getting out of New York. If he wanted the most money, or to win, his best shot at both of those is the Yankees. The only other reasoning is that Boras is trying to get more money out of New York, and thinks they are bluffing.
I don't think he ends up in New York or Boston. Angels or Cubs.
October 29, 2007 at 03:55PM View BBCode
I think he moves back.Did Cal Ripken Jr put on weight as he played? He did fine.
And his opting out is more about getting out of New York. If he wanted the most money, or to win, his best shot at both of those is the Yankees. The only other reasoning is that Boras is trying to get more money out of New York, and thinks they are bluffing.
I don't think he ends up in New York or Boston. Angels or Cubs.
barterer2002
I guess the question is whether there has ever been a player who has moved to SS at the age of 32
Also, just a quick glance through recently elected HOF players showed Arky Vaughn joined BRO in 1942 and moved from SS to 3B at the age of 30 because BRO had Pee Wee playing there. Vaughn moved back to SS in 1943 as Pee Wee went to fight the Germans.
October 29, 2007 at 04:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
He may very well not, but the fact that you're citing this long history of precedent is kind of irrelevant since this situation is different from most others. I can't think of a single other situation where a top player at a key defensive position was forced to move to a lesser position in the prime of his career because he went to another team that already had that position filled.
I guess the question is whether there has ever been a player who has moved to SS at the age of 32
Also, just a quick glance through recently elected HOF players showed Arky Vaughn joined BRO in 1942 and moved from SS to 3B at the age of 30 because BRO had Pee Wee playing there. Vaughn moved back to SS in 1943 as Pee Wee went to fight the Germans.
FuriousGiorge
[Edited on 10-29-2007 by FuriousGiorge]
October 29, 2007 at 04:35PM View BBCode
Well there you go. I win. At life.[Edited on 10-29-2007 by FuriousGiorge]
TacoBell
October 29, 2007 at 05:46PM View BBCode
Ohhhh, that game is soooo fun. I wonder if warfish has a companion sight?
Benne
To be honest, I don't think this has anything to do with money and everything to do with the fact that A-Rod is sick of the treatment he received in New York. He saw the writing on the wall (Torre gone, Clemens very likely gone, Posada, Rivera, and others likely gone) and decided to jump ship...
October 29, 2007 at 05:56PM View BBCode
Originally posted by turkob
Originally posted by Benne
Good for him; he deserves better than the <b>[Censored]</b> he put up with in New York. I hope the Yankees lose 100 games next year...
i wish i felt his opting out had to do with sticking it to the yankees, but i think it has to do with money, you think boras would let him leave dollars on the table? that's not in his operating manual
To be honest, I don't think this has anything to do with money and everything to do with the fact that A-Rod is sick of the treatment he received in New York. He saw the writing on the wall (Torre gone, Clemens very likely gone, Posada, Rivera, and others likely gone) and decided to jump ship...
Bones2484
I hope so.
Although, I wouldn't mind Adam Dunn in our lineup either. I still can't believe he's only 27.
October 29, 2007 at 05:59PM View BBCode
Stoneman leaving + ARod opting out = A big bat signing for the Angels to help out Guerrero?I hope so.
Although, I wouldn't mind Adam Dunn in our lineup either. I still can't believe he's only 27.
DougB
which is a 6-game imrovement in the standings over what they would get from an average third baseman otherwise manning the position. Well for 6 or 7 years anyway.
that and a hefty luxury tax penalty, a financial burden on the team for a decade, and likely feeling compelled to play the guy simply based on his price tag when he's 40 as he bids for Home Run #800.
He's a great player. The Cubs can have him. I'd enjoy watching that soap opera.
October 29, 2007 at 06:22PM View BBCode
any team that wants to pay $250 million for A-Rod at this stage deserves what they get...which is a 6-game imrovement in the standings over what they would get from an average third baseman otherwise manning the position. Well for 6 or 7 years anyway.
that and a hefty luxury tax penalty, a financial burden on the team for a decade, and likely feeling compelled to play the guy simply based on his price tag when he's 40 as he bids for Home Run #800.
He's a great player. The Cubs can have him. I'd enjoy watching that soap opera.
tm4559
October 29, 2007 at 06:27PM View BBCode
you don't think he would be a good fit with the cubs doug?Pages: 1 2