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tworoosters
I think the NL MVP is pretty easy, Pujols, but the rest are all up for grabs in my mind.
AL Cy Young will probably go to Sabathia, although it's tough to ignore the year Greinke has had and Verlander is also very deserving.
I think CC's numbers in NY will do the trick.
The NL Cy Young could be interesting as well, if Wainwright and Carpenter split votes from St. Louis then Lincecum could repeat.
My money is on Carpenter as the feel good winner.
The AL MVP is totally up for grabs, in my mind, with Mauer having a monster year but playing in Minnesota and seeming to just get no respect. Of the other teams I see Teixeira and Jeter as legitimate candidates from New York, Bay and Youkilis from Boston and Cabrera from Detroit.
Morneau will get some votes and Hunter and Kendry Morales are fringe candidates from the Angels but they won't come close.
Of the non-contenders Ichiro will get a few votes and Michael Young and Nelson Cruz both deserve some attention.
Youkilis and Bay just aren't having big enough years to me so it comes down to four candidates in the AL:
Cabrera
Mauer
Jeter
Teixeira
My gut instinct says whoever wins the central will have the MVP, either Mauer or Cabrera with the pinstripers left as bridesmaids.
Rookies ? Who knows?
I'll go with Porcello and Happ.
Your Thoughts ?
[Edited on 9-28-2009 by tworoosters]
The 2009 MLB Awards Thread
September 28, 2009 at 07:03PM View BBCode
Okay so the playoff teams are almost decided so it's time to turn our attention to the major awards, MVP, Cy Young and, to a lesser degree, Rookie of the Year.I think the NL MVP is pretty easy, Pujols, but the rest are all up for grabs in my mind.
AL Cy Young will probably go to Sabathia, although it's tough to ignore the year Greinke has had and Verlander is also very deserving.
I think CC's numbers in NY will do the trick.
The NL Cy Young could be interesting as well, if Wainwright and Carpenter split votes from St. Louis then Lincecum could repeat.
My money is on Carpenter as the feel good winner.
The AL MVP is totally up for grabs, in my mind, with Mauer having a monster year but playing in Minnesota and seeming to just get no respect. Of the other teams I see Teixeira and Jeter as legitimate candidates from New York, Bay and Youkilis from Boston and Cabrera from Detroit.
Morneau will get some votes and Hunter and Kendry Morales are fringe candidates from the Angels but they won't come close.
Of the non-contenders Ichiro will get a few votes and Michael Young and Nelson Cruz both deserve some attention.
Youkilis and Bay just aren't having big enough years to me so it comes down to four candidates in the AL:
Cabrera
Mauer
Jeter
Teixeira
My gut instinct says whoever wins the central will have the MVP, either Mauer or Cabrera with the pinstripers left as bridesmaids.
Rookies ? Who knows?
I'll go with Porcello and Happ.
Your Thoughts ?
[Edited on 9-28-2009 by tworoosters]
tm4559
(also, Mauer is the best player in the American League, and is totally deserving.)
September 28, 2009 at 07:12PM View BBCode
Mauer is going to win. MVP voters love batting average.(also, Mauer is the best player in the American League, and is totally deserving.)
tm4559
Grienke is going to win the cy young.
September 28, 2009 at 07:13PM View BBCode
and Jeter should only get the MVP if he can share the award with all that freaking money they spent buying all the players. same for Sabathia.Grienke is going to win the cy young.
Admin
http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
I'll run the MVP numbers after the regular season is wrapped up using the Sim Dynasty/barterer formula to see who it predicts will win.
Tyson
September 28, 2009 at 07:16PM View BBCode
Here's how Sim Dynasty would rank the Cy Young candidates:http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
I'll run the MVP numbers after the regular season is wrapped up using the Sim Dynasty/barterer formula to see who it predicts will win.
Tyson
Admin
Tyson
September 28, 2009 at 07:18PM View BBCode
I think if Sabathia gets to 20 wins, that might be enough for him to win it.Tyson
tm4559
is Sabathia even going to pitch any more this (regular) season?
September 28, 2009 at 07:20PM View BBCode
you would think so, if it is like simdynasty. the wins always carry it, along with being with the first place team.is Sabathia even going to pitch any more this (regular) season?
DougB
Wainwright probably has the edge on Lincecum with Carpenter 3rd. The NL has some great candidates. You left Matt Cain off your predictor. He's not going to win but he'll probably get a few 3rd place votes.
I don't think Prince Fielder will get much love in the MVP but he's carried that offense. He's the only left handed bat they've got and he's probably going to drive in 140 runs on an offense that played much of the season with 3 guys who were practicaly automatic outs. At times the 1-2 batters ahead of Braun and Fielder were AAA calibre. Jason Kendall and JJ Hardy? they were horrible.
September 28, 2009 at 07:29PM View BBCode
Sabathia has had a really nice year. I'd vote him 3rd in the Cy Young.Wainwright probably has the edge on Lincecum with Carpenter 3rd. The NL has some great candidates. You left Matt Cain off your predictor. He's not going to win but he'll probably get a few 3rd place votes.
I don't think Prince Fielder will get much love in the MVP but he's carried that offense. He's the only left handed bat they've got and he's probably going to drive in 140 runs on an offense that played much of the season with 3 guys who were practicaly automatic outs. At times the 1-2 batters ahead of Braun and Fielder were AAA calibre. Jason Kendall and JJ Hardy? they were horrible.
tworoosters
Sabathia's next scheduled start would be Friday, if the playoffs are due to start Tuesday (I'm not sure) I can't see him going that late, at least not more than a token 80 pitch type thing.
September 28, 2009 at 07:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
is Sabathia even going to pitch any more this (regular) season?
Sabathia's next scheduled start would be Friday, if the playoffs are due to start Tuesday (I'm not sure) I can't see him going that late, at least not more than a token 80 pitch type thing.
tworoosters
The predictor is simply the top 10 point getters in each league, not a subjective list.
September 28, 2009 at 07:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DougB
You left Matt Cain off your predictor.
The predictor is simply the top 10 point getters in each league, not a subjective list.
dirtdevil
AL MVP: mauer
AL CY: grienke
AL ROY: niemann
NL MVP: pujols
NL CY: carpenter
NL ROY: happ
September 28, 2009 at 09:55PM View BBCode
my choices would beAL MVP: mauer
AL CY: grienke
AL ROY: niemann
NL MVP: pujols
NL CY: carpenter
NL ROY: happ
shep1582
September 28, 2009 at 11:26PM View BBCode
if grienke doesn't win, we should strip those bozos of their right to vote on the Cy Young.
Benne
NL MVP: Pujols (though Utley and Hanley definitely belong in the conversation)
AL Cy Young: Greinke (my heart is rooting for Felix, obviously)
NL Cy Young: Lincecum
AL ROY: Brett Anderson (ideally this should be between Anderson and Elvis Andrus, but it will probably go to Porcello)
NL ROY: Tommy Hanson
September 29, 2009 at 02:23AM View BBCode
AL MVP: Mauer. Why this is up for debate is a mystery to me.NL MVP: Pujols (though Utley and Hanley definitely belong in the conversation)
AL Cy Young: Greinke (my heart is rooting for Felix, obviously)
NL Cy Young: Lincecum
AL ROY: Brett Anderson (ideally this should be between Anderson and Elvis Andrus, but it will probably go to Porcello)
NL ROY: Tommy Hanson
tworoosters
AL ROY is wild there are probably a dozen guys who could have a case made for them, I think Porcello will get it but I'm not sure he's the right choice.
September 29, 2009 at 03:43AM View BBCode
Is Anderson even the best rookie pitcher on his own team ?AL ROY is wild there are probably a dozen guys who could have a case made for them, I think Porcello will get it but I'm not sure he's the right choice.
shep1582
I'm a best player kinda guy when it comes to MVP's, but I understand the argument that it's counter intuitive to give the award to a guy on a losing team.
I am not, however, of the same mind when it comes to the Cy Young. Grienke has pitched so much better than Sabbathia this season that I find it ludicrous that it's even mentioned that CC might win.
Wins are a team thing. CC wins more because he has a much better team hitting and playing behind him. Surely, Grienke would have more than 20 wins if he played for a contender. The award is for the best pitcher, is it not? The kid has been the best pitcher all summer.
A hitter playing out the dog days has nothing better to do than to boost his stats and play for his next big contract (so goes the logic), while a star on a contender has pressure to deliver in almost every at bat. I get that. Plus the term "most valuable" makes the results of the team a factor in the voting.
The last guy I remember having the kind of year Grienke's had for a dog team was Carlton in '72. Nobody was beating Lefty out of the Cy that season, and I think Grienke has the same case.
September 29, 2009 at 10:53PM View BBCode
it just occurred to me...I'm a best player kinda guy when it comes to MVP's, but I understand the argument that it's counter intuitive to give the award to a guy on a losing team.
I am not, however, of the same mind when it comes to the Cy Young. Grienke has pitched so much better than Sabbathia this season that I find it ludicrous that it's even mentioned that CC might win.
Wins are a team thing. CC wins more because he has a much better team hitting and playing behind him. Surely, Grienke would have more than 20 wins if he played for a contender. The award is for the best pitcher, is it not? The kid has been the best pitcher all summer.
A hitter playing out the dog days has nothing better to do than to boost his stats and play for his next big contract (so goes the logic), while a star on a contender has pressure to deliver in almost every at bat. I get that. Plus the term "most valuable" makes the results of the team a factor in the voting.
The last guy I remember having the kind of year Grienke's had for a dog team was Carlton in '72. Nobody was beating Lefty out of the Cy that season, and I think Grienke has the same case.
tworoosters
Greinke's run support has been abysmal or he could easily be at 20+ but the fact remains he only has 16 wins.
Hard to believe he was being called a bust in '05, I wonder if Pittsburgh, Cinci, Baltimore and Washington would like "do overs" on that draft - Tampa's probably ok with BJ although his power drop due to the shoulder thing has to be worrisome.
September 29, 2009 at 11:06PM View BBCode
Greinke's numbers are amazing and I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he won it, but remember in '72 Carlton won 27 games for a team that was even worse than KC, record wise anyway.Greinke's run support has been abysmal or he could easily be at 20+ but the fact remains he only has 16 wins.
Hard to believe he was being called a bust in '05, I wonder if Pittsburgh, Cinci, Baltimore and Washington would like "do overs" on that draft - Tampa's probably ok with BJ although his power drop due to the shoulder thing has to be worrisome.
shep1582
Zack leads the league in K's and ERA and WHIP and has a 4.84/1 K/w ratio.
so CC wins a few more games than he does? It would be one thing if Grienke was 12-12 or something, but he's won 2/3 of his decisions on a team that won't win 70. which is the more impressive feat?
Sabbathia would be 11-16 for this team. Or worse.
September 29, 2009 at 11:30PM View BBCode
true, but that was with a 4 man rotation and 41 starts and 30 complete games. starting pitchers have pitch counts, now, and I doubt Carlton ever did (it doesn't appear he did in '72, anyway).Zack leads the league in K's and ERA and WHIP and has a 4.84/1 K/w ratio.
so CC wins a few more games than he does? It would be one thing if Grienke was 12-12 or something, but he's won 2/3 of his decisions on a team that won't win 70. which is the more impressive feat?
Sabbathia would be 11-16 for this team. Or worse.
dirtdevil
September 30, 2009 at 04:07AM View BBCode
i think that greinke should win. but i wouldn't be at all surprised if sabathia did. the voters like them some wins.
cubfan531
Cy Young - Wainwright
MVP - Pujols
ROTY - Coghlan
AL:
Cy Young - Greinke
MVP - Mauer
ROTY - Porcello
September 30, 2009 at 05:15AM View BBCode
NL:Cy Young - Wainwright
MVP - Pujols
ROTY - Coghlan
AL:
Cy Young - Greinke
MVP - Mauer
ROTY - Porcello
Admin
I'm going to do a write up and post it later today.
It also looks like King Felix is in 1st now in the CY Predictor. I think the feel-good part of Greinke and his fast start will propel him though.
Tyson
October 05, 2009 at 05:53PM View BBCode
I just ran the numbers through the Sim Dynasty/barterer MVP formula. It is saying Pujols and Mauer will win - even if the Twins don't make the playoffs and Mauer doesn't win the Gold Glove.I'm going to do a write up and post it later today.
It also looks like King Felix is in 1st now in the CY Predictor. I think the feel-good part of Greinke and his fast start will propel him though.
Tyson
wheelithoss
Im taking Texeria for MVP though i am pretty sure Mauer will get it. I just can't overlook how he transformed the Yankees infield and he did lead the league in HRs and RBIs
I don't follow the NL as much but I dont see Pujols not winning MVP and the media loves Lincecum so I think he will get the Cy.
Has to be Happ in the NL for rookies and I would give it to Andrus in the AL.
October 05, 2009 at 10:51PM View BBCode
I think King Felix wins the AL Cy Young award. His numbers are not too far behind Greinke and he has 19 wins to boot on a team not that much better than the royals.Im taking Texeria for MVP though i am pretty sure Mauer will get it. I just can't overlook how he transformed the Yankees infield and he did lead the league in HRs and RBIs
I don't follow the NL as much but I dont see Pujols not winning MVP and the media loves Lincecum so I think he will get the Cy.
Has to be Happ in the NL for rookies and I would give it to Andrus in the AL.
tworoosters
I'm guessing Saturday morning's 911 call has eliminated Cabrera so I'll go with Mauer in the MVP race.
If Porcello wins the tie breaker game I think he's a lock for AL Rookie of the Year. In fact unless he gets lit up I still think he wins, maybe Bailey beats him, maybe Andrus, although a ROY with an OPS of .702 regardless of how good he plays SS is a little scary, but I think Porcello wins.
Porcello is also the youngest player in the AL, doesn't turn 21 until December - can you imagine the grief you would get if you brought up an OS21 year old pitcher in SIM ?
In the NL I still like Pujols and Carpenter with Happ as the ROY.
October 06, 2009 at 12:02AM View BBCode
I think Greinke will win the AL Cy Young, he lead the league in ERA and WHIP and won 16 games, I think if Sabathia or Hernandez had won 20 they would've overtaken Greinke but without the magic number I think Greinke gets it.I'm guessing Saturday morning's 911 call has eliminated Cabrera so I'll go with Mauer in the MVP race.
If Porcello wins the tie breaker game I think he's a lock for AL Rookie of the Year. In fact unless he gets lit up I still think he wins, maybe Bailey beats him, maybe Andrus, although a ROY with an OPS of .702 regardless of how good he plays SS is a little scary, but I think Porcello wins.
Porcello is also the youngest player in the AL, doesn't turn 21 until December - can you imagine the grief you would get if you brought up an OS21 year old pitcher in SIM ?
In the NL I still like Pujols and Carpenter with Happ as the ROY.
cubfan531
[Edited on 10-13-2009 by cubfan531]
[Edited on 10-13-2009 by cubfan531]
October 06, 2009 at 11:29AM View BBCode
Seriously, nobody has any love for Chris Coghlan. He's hitting .321, playing out of position (a total of one minor league game played in left, 123/124 in left at the bigs), 9 homers, 41 RBIs, and he's hitting better than everyone in the major leagues since August 1st. 6th highest batting average in the NL, first amongst rookies. He's two years younger, and, unlike Happ, had no MLB playing time before this season. Sure, Happ's on a playoff-bound team, and managed to pry a rotation spot from Methuslah himself, Jamie Moyer, all on a team coming off a World Series ring.[Edited on 10-13-2009 by cubfan531]
[Edited on 10-13-2009 by cubfan531]
tworoosters
NL - [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/coghlch01.shtml]Coghlan[/url]
I've got no issue with either of these picks, it's not like anyone had a markedly better year than either of them.
Bailey's numbers were pretty dominating after taking over as the A's closer and Coghlan's overall numbers were pretty close to McCutchen's.
Congrats to cubfan531 for correctly choosing Coghlan.
[Edited on 11-16-2009 by tworoosters]
First Up - Rookies
November 16, 2009 at 10:40PM View BBCode
AL - [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bailean01.shtml]Bailey[/url]NL - [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/coghlch01.shtml]Coghlan[/url]
I've got no issue with either of these picks, it's not like anyone had a markedly better year than either of them.
Bailey's numbers were pretty dominating after taking over as the A's closer and Coghlan's overall numbers were pretty close to McCutchen's.
Congrats to cubfan531 for correctly choosing Coghlan.
[Edited on 11-16-2009 by tworoosters]
FuriousGiorge
always usually* the least controversial.
*assuming there's no Japanese player in the mix.
November 16, 2009 at 10:43PM View BBCode
ROY are*assuming there's no Japanese player in the mix.