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kittens
Confused
April 23, 2012 at 01:02AM View BBCode
Howdy, I was at 79.89 mil with 14 players on minors. I have 2 on waiver wire that will most likely return to me. In the meantime I thought that I needed 15 players in minors so I got one off of waiver wire... this put me at 80.39. I thought that was not going to work, so I put him back on waiver wire...only my salary did not go down.. I need someone to explain all of the to me as I am really confused how to get my salary below 80 mil at this point. thanks Bryce
dirtdevil
April 23, 2012 at 01:25AM View BBCode
the two guys clearing to the minors still count as on the roster and againdt the cap, if memory serves, so you didn't need to pick anyone up. the problwm, i'm guessing since the salary was .5mil, is that the guy you picked up was over 28 so his salary counts against the cap even if you waive him. only the under 28 guys can be waived and have the salary come off the books.
BigMacAttack
April 23, 2012 at 01:36AM View BBCode
dirt's right. all you need to do is waive some under 28 guys like maybe Walker, Mendoza, Madden... and you'll be fine
kittens
Now my question is about my minor total. The 2 guys on waivers still count as minors.. right? So my minor count of 13 plus the 2 guys on waivers makes 15. This is in effect until April 8th when I get them back... So I am not violating the under 15 penalty for April 1st to April 8th...right? Bryce
April 23, 2012 at 02:15PM View BBCode
Howdy all, yeah I really screwed up not remembering how it all works. Because I had 14 in minors, I thought I needed to add 1 (over 28). This put me over the cap. Then i figured my 2 guys on the waiver wire that most likely were coming back would put me at 17, so I released the over 28 guy I had just received. Now I was back to 14 but still over the cap. Finally with the help above I released one of my under 28 guys to get back under the cap.Now my question is about my minor total. The 2 guys on waivers still count as minors.. right? So my minor count of 13 plus the 2 guys on waivers makes 15. This is in effect until April 8th when I get them back... So I am not violating the under 15 penalty for April 1st to April 8th...right? Bryce
tworoosters
Sadly under the current minor league system, with salaries counting and only 4-5 players really getting development the league has devolved into a system where the best bet is to have 4-6 "real minor leaguers" and then the rest are the cheapest free agents you can find.
Guys like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9636266]Kelleher[/url] and [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9683829]Altobelli[/url] are golden because they take up a roster spot and only cots $50K a year .
April 23, 2012 at 02:22PM View BBCode
You're fine with roster.Sadly under the current minor league system, with salaries counting and only 4-5 players really getting development the league has devolved into a system where the best bet is to have 4-6 "real minor leaguers" and then the rest are the cheapest free agents you can find.
Guys like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9636266]Kelleher[/url] and [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9683829]Altobelli[/url] are golden because they take up a roster spot and only cots $50K a year .
boraiders34
April 23, 2012 at 05:46PM View BBCode
Agreed. Minor Leaguers not counting against the cap should be change #1.
thatrogue
What do we need to put this to a vote? This kind of thing can be a manual adjustment and tracked via message board posts until we can lobby Admin to implement an official change.
April 24, 2012 at 09:32AM View BBCode
Well, minor leaguers not yet eligible for free agency should not count against the cap. Otherwise, we'd create a loophole for hoarding players.What do we need to put this to a vote? This kind of thing can be a manual adjustment and tracked via message board posts until we can lobby Admin to implement an official change.
tworoosters
The process could easily be handled through forum and manual adjustments, as outlined in [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=330235]this thread[/url].
As for a vote I believe that would fall under the unanimous requirement, major change and not at the "end of a term" (though what that is in subscription leagues I don't know) and unanimous just isn't likely to happen for any proposed changes in this league.
April 24, 2012 at 08:54PM View BBCode
Admin will not likely get involved as adding further automation to salary leagues doesn't appear to be a priority.The process could easily be handled through forum and manual adjustments, as outlined in [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=330235]this thread[/url].
As for a vote I believe that would fall under the unanimous requirement, major change and not at the "end of a term" (though what that is in subscription leagues I don't know) and unanimous just isn't likely to happen for any proposed changes in this league.
dirtdevil
April 24, 2012 at 08:58PM View BBCode
i'd suggest a vote to allow a simple majority for changes since, as you say, "end of term" can be a bit nebulous in a subscription league. i imagine that in itself would require a unaminous vote though, so that would be a problem. i can't say this particular issue is at the top of my personal 'to do' list but it's not something i'd stand in the way of if it came to a vote.
barterer2002
April 25, 2012 at 08:55PM View BBCode
There are a number of owners who have indicated that they are against any idea that isn't automated. I dropped Tyson a note in support on Sunday asking about hte possibilities of getting that particular issue automated and have not yet heard anything back.
dirtdevil
April 25, 2012 at 08:59PM View BBCode
i'm one of them. if it came to a vote though, i wouldn't stand in the way on that basis if it would otherwise pass.
barterer2002
1. This particular one would have to be something we do manually.
I also asked him about the following.
The priority list possibly can be changed to run so that the highest winning bids are signed first and then on down the list.
It is also potentially possible to change our league not to use the prestige index.
He's going to double check and let me know in the next week or two on these issues but this one is manual if we want it.
April 25, 2012 at 09:55PM View BBCode
OK tyson responded tonight on some of the issues.1. This particular one would have to be something we do manually.
I also asked him about the following.
The priority list possibly can be changed to run so that the highest winning bids are signed first and then on down the list.
It is also potentially possible to change our league not to use the prestige index.
He's going to double check and let me know in the next week or two on these issues but this one is manual if we want it.
dirtdevil
April 25, 2012 at 11:29PM View BBCode
i don't know about anyone else, but i would support having a vote on it on that basis.
BigMacAttack
1. it would just be for players on a non FA contract (i.e. someone under 28 or with remaining options)
2. would you be able to freely move eligible players back and forth between the majors and minors or would the contract become live once the player sis brought up? i'd say it would make the most sense to be able to move them up and down because it would be impossible to manage/police manually.
3. How would we manage it manually? I would suggest something like was suggested before where everyone is responsible for adding their own adjustment around April 1 and then we have a committee made up of 4 owners (2 from each league) who are responsible for checking half of the teams from the other league. As Roosters suggested then any in season adjustments would have to be posted in a topped thread
April 26, 2012 at 01:22AM View BBCode
I'm okay with a vote but I'd like to clarify a couple of things:1. it would just be for players on a non FA contract (i.e. someone under 28 or with remaining options)
2. would you be able to freely move eligible players back and forth between the majors and minors or would the contract become live once the player sis brought up? i'd say it would make the most sense to be able to move them up and down because it would be impossible to manage/police manually.
3. How would we manage it manually? I would suggest something like was suggested before where everyone is responsible for adding their own adjustment around April 1 and then we have a committee made up of 4 owners (2 from each league) who are responsible for checking half of the teams from the other league. As Roosters suggested then any in season adjustments would have to be posted in a topped thread
barterer2002
(I'll put this up for vote this weekend-probably Sunday)
[Edited on 4-27-2012 by barterer2002]
April 27, 2012 at 12:36AM View BBCode
I think if you bring the player up he counts, if you send him back down he comes back off. Otherwise, wouldn't a team keep players down until X date has passed and could freely bring them up and down with no cost? Or am I not understanding your idea there BM?(I'll put this up for vote this weekend-probably Sunday)
[Edited on 4-27-2012 by barterer2002]
BigMacAttack
the reason I was asking was that i seem to recall a discussion somewhere sometime with the idea that a player not count against the cap until they were brought up to the majors and then their salary would count against the cap.
I think we need to be able to move those bodies up and down and adjust the cap accordingly as we go
April 27, 2012 at 01:01AM View BBCode
Yeah, that's what i meant Bart.the reason I was asking was that i seem to recall a discussion somewhere sometime with the idea that a player not count against the cap until they were brought up to the majors and then their salary would count against the cap.
I think we need to be able to move those bodies up and down and adjust the cap accordingly as we go
tworoosters
That's exactly the way I envision it, non free agent eligible only players are exempt while in the minors.
If a player is brought up to the majors his salary then is counted while he's on the major league roster.
Teams make their manual adjustments on the "off day" and then post any in season adjustments in a topped thread. A four man committee sounds like a great idea though I'm sure 1-2 individuals could monitor things.
April 27, 2012 at 03:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by BigMacAttack
I'm okay with a vote but I'd like to clarify a couple of things:
1. it would just be for players on a non FA contract (i.e. someone under 28 or with remaining options)
2. would you be able to freely move eligible players back and forth between the majors and minors or would the contract become live once the player sis brought up? i'd say it would make the most sense to be able to move them up and down because it would be impossible to manage/police manually.
3. How would we manage it manually? I would suggest something like was suggested before where everyone is responsible for adding their own adjustment around April 1 and then we have a committee made up of 4 owners (2 from each league) who are responsible for checking half of the teams from the other league. As Roosters suggested then any in season adjustments would have to be posted in a topped thread
That's exactly the way I envision it, non free agent eligible only players are exempt while in the minors.
If a player is brought up to the majors his salary then is counted while he's on the major league roster.
Teams make their manual adjustments on the "off day" and then post any in season adjustments in a topped thread. A four man committee sounds like a great idea though I'm sure 1-2 individuals could monitor things.
BigMacAttack
April 27, 2012 at 04:44PM View BBCode
I suggested 4 to minimize the amount any 1 person would need to do. I think you'd need to have 1 person from each league "cover" the opposite league to remove any claims of bias.
kittens
April 27, 2012 at 10:54PM View BBCode
Howdy all, I am in total agreement with Bart. Also, I am avaialble to be one of those salary checkers if we get everyone to vote for this... BrycePages: 1