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WillyD
That's all you got Compton? Pathetic. Apparently the conversation has gone beyond your realm of comprehension. Once you get past racism and hate, your specialties, you have a hard time keeping up.
November 18, 2016 at 03:09PM View BBCode
Originally posted by compton10101
apparently willyd haz scewed ideaz bout history.....seemz 2 match hiz vision fo america..............COMPTON
That's all you got Compton? Pathetic. Apparently the conversation has gone beyond your realm of comprehension. Once you get past racism and hate, your specialties, you have a hard time keeping up.
dirtdevil
I find it fascinating that you assume that muslims are 100% against everything you believe in. where did that information come from? allowing people of different backgrounds, faiths and belief systems is kind of what the country was based on, you know? "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." remember that?
what, exactly, is "Terrorist Immigration?" are you aware that the U.S. already has one of the world's most stringent screening systems in the world for immigrants from those areas? are you aware that the vast majority of the atrocities committed by "terrorists" are committed against the people of those regions? and that people from those regions are in the most desperate need of help? what does cutting those people off from solace say about you as a people? as an individual?
Trump is not anti-illegal immigration. he has used illegal immigrants (Polish, in his case, I believe) to work on some of his own construction projects. he's pandering to those who, like you it seems, are afraid of the 'other' simply because it's different. he's created this illegal immigrant boogeyman that's just hugely wrong. illegal immigrants as a class, and especially those from mexico, are some of the hardest working people you will ever meet. are there criminals in their number? sure. there are criminals in any population. but by and large the illegal Mexican immigrant population are here to work hard and make money for themselves and their families back home. they aren't here to run drugs or kill American citizens. they want a better life. they are the huddled masses. by turning your back on them you turn your back on yourselves.
November 18, 2016 at 03:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Trump is anti-illegal immigration, and against terrorist immigration, which is why he wants to possibly cut off or be more diligent in background checks on immigration from certain countries. Do you think it's a good idea to allow people who believe in Sharia Law to immigrate to the U.S.? I find it fascinating that you want people coming here that are 100% against everything you believe in.
I find it fascinating that you assume that muslims are 100% against everything you believe in. where did that information come from? allowing people of different backgrounds, faiths and belief systems is kind of what the country was based on, you know? "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." remember that?
what, exactly, is "Terrorist Immigration?" are you aware that the U.S. already has one of the world's most stringent screening systems in the world for immigrants from those areas? are you aware that the vast majority of the atrocities committed by "terrorists" are committed against the people of those regions? and that people from those regions are in the most desperate need of help? what does cutting those people off from solace say about you as a people? as an individual?
Trump is not anti-illegal immigration. he has used illegal immigrants (Polish, in his case, I believe) to work on some of his own construction projects. he's pandering to those who, like you it seems, are afraid of the 'other' simply because it's different. he's created this illegal immigrant boogeyman that's just hugely wrong. illegal immigrants as a class, and especially those from mexico, are some of the hardest working people you will ever meet. are there criminals in their number? sure. there are criminals in any population. but by and large the illegal Mexican immigrant population are here to work hard and make money for themselves and their families back home. they aren't here to run drugs or kill American citizens. they want a better life. they are the huddled masses. by turning your back on them you turn your back on yourselves.
paulcaraccio
in an election that was decided by only about 100,000 votes in 3 states, there are many factors and tipping points. it's not just race, it's not just sticking it to the elites (with tax breaks), it's not just people who want to work in factories, it's all of that and more. but it isn't fake news reports that tell us racism was a factor when the KKK is gushing about trump and throwing parades. i know whites who blame blacks and latinos for everything that goes wrong, who say they agree with everything trump says when he goes lowest. last week me and a friend struck up a conversation with some random drunk dude outside a bar, he was rambling about some girl or something when he suddenly broke into a chant of "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!" because 3 black guys were walking by. 2 of them kept going but one of them walked over to ask why he was doing that and directing it at them, and soon the guy was railing against "n*****s" and about to get deservedly knocked out before some of us calmed it down. this kind of thing, and much worse, is happening all over, this particular situation was dead in the middle of a decidedly progressive neighborhood. to some people it's obvious racism, but many others are seeing it as what it means to not have to be "politically correct" anymore.
a lot of people are instinctively opposed to a multi-cultural society, and that's natural, it's not the way that humans have operated throughout history. progress often comes more slowly than we'd like it to, but it still comes.
November 18, 2016 at 04:29PM View BBCode
i think that's trump's most dangerous consequence, how he's made all his followers virulently distrust the news. things might get ugly when this trump & media honeymoon phase, such as it is, ends. my father is just like willy, nothing to the left of breitbart or fox can be trusted to report the most benign of facts, and anyone who disagrees has been brainwashed or manipulated by the "mainstream". so me and him pretty much just talk sports because if anything mildly political or racial comes up he immediately gets agitated and dismissive of evidence. but he'll just eat up anything trump or anybody approved-by-trump says. he doesn't "believe" in climate change, he also believes the election had nothing to do with race, it's sad and scary.in an election that was decided by only about 100,000 votes in 3 states, there are many factors and tipping points. it's not just race, it's not just sticking it to the elites (with tax breaks), it's not just people who want to work in factories, it's all of that and more. but it isn't fake news reports that tell us racism was a factor when the KKK is gushing about trump and throwing parades. i know whites who blame blacks and latinos for everything that goes wrong, who say they agree with everything trump says when he goes lowest. last week me and a friend struck up a conversation with some random drunk dude outside a bar, he was rambling about some girl or something when he suddenly broke into a chant of "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!" because 3 black guys were walking by. 2 of them kept going but one of them walked over to ask why he was doing that and directing it at them, and soon the guy was railing against "n*****s" and about to get deservedly knocked out before some of us calmed it down. this kind of thing, and much worse, is happening all over, this particular situation was dead in the middle of a decidedly progressive neighborhood. to some people it's obvious racism, but many others are seeing it as what it means to not have to be "politically correct" anymore.
a lot of people are instinctively opposed to a multi-cultural society, and that's natural, it's not the way that humans have operated throughout history. progress often comes more slowly than we'd like it to, but it still comes.
compton10101
November 18, 2016 at 05:38PM View BBCode
Memo 2 willyd.... COMPTON ain't even goin 2 deep da extra pity fo to sorry *** responzez like iz dat alll u got? ..... u ain't open 2 Otha ideaz an ramble on an on wit an angry rhetoric indicative only of a lo IQ person..... if dat ain't true it sho don't sho itself here.... good luck wit those narrow viewz...... COMPTON
dirtdevil
a lot of the historical Mediterranean civilizations (Rome, Carthage, the Byzantines, many of the Muslim Caliphates) were remarkably multicultural. it was the rise of the barbarian Frankish cultures that morphed into the Catholic West that really started moving away from that.
November 18, 2016 at 05:42PM View BBCode
I've never really understood all the opposition to "political correctness". at the heart of it all political correctness stands for is treating other people with respect. I can never figure out why some people feel that calling someone n****r, f*g, k**e, c*nt, sp*c, d*ke and so on is a God-given right. I mean, why is it wrong to ask you not to be an asshole?a lot of the historical Mediterranean civilizations (Rome, Carthage, the Byzantines, many of the Muslim Caliphates) were remarkably multicultural. it was the rise of the barbarian Frankish cultures that morphed into the Catholic West that really started moving away from that.
compton10101
November 18, 2016 at 05:44PM View BBCode
Basically willyd wud it boilz down 2 iz u look like 1 of these people dat feel empowad 2 not b "pc" anymo cuz u got yo prez....... COMPTON
cdunn3
[Edited on 11-18-2016 by cdunn3]
November 18, 2016 at 05:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
Trump is anti-illegal immigration, and against terrorist immigration, which is why he wants to possibly cut off or be more diligent in background checks on immigration from certain countries. Do you think it's a good idea to allow people who believe in Sharia Law to immigrate to the U.S.? I find it fascinating that you want people coming here that are 100% against everything you believe in.
I find it fascinating that you assume that muslims are 100% against everything you believe in. where did that information come from? allowing people of different backgrounds, faiths and belief systems is kind of what the country was based on, you know? "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." remember that?
what, exactly, is "Terrorist Immigration?" are you aware that the U.S. already has one of the world's most stringent screening systems in the world for immigrants from those areas? are you aware that the vast majority of the atrocities committed by "terrorists" are committed against the people of those regions? and that people from those regions are in the most desperate need of help? what does cutting those people off from solace say about you as a people? as an individual?
Trump is not anti-illegal immigration. he has used illegal immigrants (Polish, in his case, I believe) to work on some of his own construction projects. he's pandering to those who, like you it seems, are afraid of the 'other' simply because it's different. he's created this illegal immigrant boogeyman that's just hugely wrong. illegal immigrants as a class, and especially those from mexico, are some of the hardest working people you will ever meet. are there criminals in their number? sure. there are criminals in any population. but by and large the illegal Mexican immigrant population are here to work hard and make money for themselves and their families back home. they aren't here to run drugs or kill American citizens. they want a better life. they are the huddled masses. by turning your back on them you turn your back on yourselves.
[Edited on 11-18-2016 by cdunn3]
WillyD
Dirt, do you have some problem with your vision. Do you only see some you like? Did you see the part about Sharia Law??? Or did you just skip that part because you don't know what it is???
What a bleeping joke you are...
November 18, 2016 at 05:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
Trump is anti-illegal immigration, and against terrorist immigration, which is why he wants to possibly cut off or be more diligent in background checks on immigration from certain countries. Do you think it's a good idea to allow people who believe in Sharia Law to immigrate to the U.S.? I find it fascinating that you want people coming here that are 100% against everything you believe in.
I find it fascinating that you assume that muslims are 100% against everything you believe in.
Dirt, do you have some problem with your vision. Do you only see some you like? Did you see the part about Sharia Law??? Or did you just skip that part because you don't know what it is???
What a bleeping joke you are...
dirtdevil
November 18, 2016 at 06:41PM View BBCode
i'm sorry, are there a lot of non-muslims who follow sharia law?
WillyD
You really are a troll aren't you?
So what you're saying is that all Muslims believe their country should adopt Sharia Law?
You must also think a large population of Muslims that support Sharia Law wouldn't affect womens' rights?
November 18, 2016 at 07:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
i'm sorry, are there a lot of non-muslims who follow sharia law?
You really are a troll aren't you?
So what you're saying is that all Muslims believe their country should adopt Sharia Law?
You must also think a large population of Muslims that support Sharia Law wouldn't affect womens' rights?
compton10101
November 18, 2016 at 07:36PM View BBCode
COMPTON thinkz willyd should git sum professional help fo dis emotional dysregulation.........COMPTON thinkz u 1 angry lil man............COMPTON
dirtdevil
you're arguing nonsense. sharia law has no standing in American law. and frankly, a virulent trump supporter opposing Muslim immigration on the basis of sharia law negatively affecting women's rights is kind of like a person who has just set fire to their house worrying that the sun might bleach the paint.
November 18, 2016 at 07:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by dirtdevil
i'm sorry, are there a lot of non-muslims who follow sharia law?
You really are a troll aren't you?
So what you're saying is that all Muslims believe their country should adopt Sharia Law?
You must also think a large population of Muslims that support Sharia Law wouldn't affect womens' rights?
you're arguing nonsense. sharia law has no standing in American law. and frankly, a virulent trump supporter opposing Muslim immigration on the basis of sharia law negatively affecting women's rights is kind of like a person who has just set fire to their house worrying that the sun might bleach the paint.
WillyD
November 18, 2016 at 08:22PM View BBCode
You're still avoiding questions. Do you believe all Muslims think their government should implement Sharia law? (Hint: It's a yes or no)
WillyD
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare ? Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty ? Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt ? Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control ? Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare ? Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education ? Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion ? Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare ? Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
November 18, 2016 at 08:23PM View BBCode
This sound familiar to anyone?How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare ? Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty ? Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt ? Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control ? Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare ? Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education ? Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion ? Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare ? Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
dirtdevil
you can try and create a straw man to avoid dealing with the holes in your logic all you want but I don't have to play. the (non) issue you're trying to create here doesn't have any impact on what trump's immigration platform contains. so you can either respond to what you were asked and have a rational discussion or you can continue to spout the crazy. sharia law is irrelevant to any discussion around immigration. I don't see you trying to make Talmudic law a feature of discussing immigration from Israel, for instance, because it's also irrelevant.
November 18, 2016 at 09:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
You're still avoiding questions. Do you believe all Muslims think their government should implement Sharia law? (Hint: It's a yes or no)
you can try and create a straw man to avoid dealing with the holes in your logic all you want but I don't have to play. the (non) issue you're trying to create here doesn't have any impact on what trump's immigration platform contains. so you can either respond to what you were asked and have a rational discussion or you can continue to spout the crazy. sharia law is irrelevant to any discussion around immigration. I don't see you trying to make Talmudic law a feature of discussing immigration from Israel, for instance, because it's also irrelevant.
dirtdevil
and right on cue, here comes the crazy.
November 18, 2016 at 09:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
This sound familiar to anyone?
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare ? Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty ? Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt ? Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control ? Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare ? Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education ? Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion ? Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare ? Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
and right on cue, here comes the crazy.
WillyD
Dirt, let's agree to disagree. I have zero trust in government, and you have complete faith in it. I think that faith is completely crazy, especially for someone over the age of 30.
November 19, 2016 at 01:09AM View BBCode
I vote to divert all Muslims that think their governments should adopt Sharia Law, go to Canada. Let's see how that works for you.Dirt, let's agree to disagree. I have zero trust in government, and you have complete faith in it. I think that faith is completely crazy, especially for someone over the age of 30.
dirtdevil
November 19, 2016 at 03:49AM View BBCode
that is not even remotely what we were talking about.
WillyD
November 19, 2016 at 04:38AM View BBCode
I don't think you have a clue as to what anyone has said here. You look for a line or two to jump on, and ramble on with your globalist nonsense.
FrosteeTBear
November 19, 2016 at 04:54AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyDOK you win Willie have it your way--I nominate you for some Trump cabinet post! :o:o:o :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I don't think you have a clue as to what anyone has said here. You look for a line or two to jump on, and ramble on with your globalist nonsense.
FrosteeTBear
November 19, 2016 at 05:01AM View BBCode
I see David Dukes and the KKK celebrating............does that mean anything to anyone?
dirtdevil
if that's what you truly think that you either (a) have no idea what globalist means or (b) have just been arguing against what you assume I've said rather than reading the actual comments. or, I guess (c) both.
November 19, 2016 at 03:23PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
I don't think you have a clue as to what anyone has said here. You look for a line or two to jump on, and ramble on with your globalist nonsense.
if that's what you truly think that you either (a) have no idea what globalist means or (b) have just been arguing against what you assume I've said rather than reading the actual comments. or, I guess (c) both.
WillyD
You should apply for a job with George Soros. They could use a tool like you to nail down their victory over common sense.
November 19, 2016 at 05:40PM View BBCode
Just admit it man. You look forward to the day the U.S is weakened, and power is given to the United Nations. You think Republicans are in the way of world peace and a socialist utopia, and you'll never stop demonizing any conservative, until you get your precious world social state.You should apply for a job with George Soros. They could use a tool like you to nail down their victory over common sense.
dirtdevil
wow. there are so many flawed assumptions in there that I don't even know where to start with it. i'm starting to think that you've just been arguing with an imaginary "liberal" in your head the whole time. you certainly aren't responding to anything I've said.
November 19, 2016 at 05:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Just admit it man. You look forward to the day the U.S is weakened, and power is given to the United Nations. You think Republicans are in the way of world peace and a socialist utopia, and you'll never stop demonizing any conservative, until you get your precious world social state.
You should apply for a job with George Soros. They could use a tool like you to nail down their victory over common sense.
wow. there are so many flawed assumptions in there that I don't even know where to start with it. i'm starting to think that you've just been arguing with an imaginary "liberal" in your head the whole time. you certainly aren't responding to anything I've said.
compton10101010
November 19, 2016 at 06:55PM View BBCode
memo 2 willyd........ur rhetoric reducez anyone who ain't white enuff or american enuff 2 da status of a thing vs. a human bein........denyin peoplez ritez 2 expression (see hiz hamilton comment regardin' pence last nite) existence (see hiz viewz on bombin) an rite 2 becum american iz az unamerican az u r...........reducin a race, class or religion 2 sumthin less than human leavez people open 2 hate, condemnation an prejudice.........dis iz da platform u r livin in.............intolerance fo people not like u..........an if they aint like u go back 2 arabia or mexico or anywhere else dat ain't here rite???.............COMPTON ain't hatin on u but COMPTON doez pity u an ur hate...............COMPTON