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WillyD
November 20, 2016 at 01:39AM View BBCode
Memo 2 Compton...you're a poor simple fool. I have no hate for you or anyone here. I'm simply trying to wake you up. I will let you go back to your hate filled dreams. How many more people will you accuse of being racist because they disagree with your self-destructive politics?
FrosteeTBear
Also because of Electoral college states with a great population like California actually get penalized and it makes my vote count less than someone else???????????? That's not fair!
November 20, 2016 at 01:46AM View BBCode
Actually lest we forget HRC won the popular vote and that my friends is a FACT!Also because of Electoral college states with a great population like California actually get penalized and it makes my vote count less than someone else???????????? That's not fair!
WillyD
I've been on this site long enough to know you're a mega liberal. I grew up and live in a state with many of your type. You don't ever answer any questions, just spout off your nonsense over and over again. You've showed your ignorance more times than can be counted. That latest example of you not understanding what Sharia Law is, and the danger it represents to Western culture, made you look completely foolish.
November 20, 2016 at 01:50AM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
Just admit it man. You look forward to the day the U.S is weakened, and power is given to the United Nations. You think Republicans are in the way of world peace and a socialist utopia, and you'll never stop demonizing any conservative, until you get your precious world social state.
You should apply for a job with George Soros. They could use a tool like you to nail down their victory over common sense.
wow. there are so many flawed assumptions in there that I don't even know where to start with it. i'm starting to think that you've just been arguing with an imaginary "liberal" in your head the whole time. you certainly aren't responding to anything I've said.
I've been on this site long enough to know you're a mega liberal. I grew up and live in a state with many of your type. You don't ever answer any questions, just spout off your nonsense over and over again. You've showed your ignorance more times than can be counted. That latest example of you not understanding what Sharia Law is, and the danger it represents to Western culture, made you look completely foolish.
WillyD
Frostee, did you finish middle school? Do you understand why we have a Senate and a House of Representatives?
I live in Massachusetts, and my vote didn't count either. That's because we have so many liberal buffoons, that even Ronald Reagan couldn't win here. No republican vote has mattered for president in this state for as long as anyone can remember.
November 20, 2016 at 01:54AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Actually lest we forget HRC won the popular vote and that my friends is a FACT!
Also because of Electoral college states with a great population like California actually get penalized and it makes my vote count less than someone else???????????? That's not fair!
Frostee, did you finish middle school? Do you understand why we have a Senate and a House of Representatives?
I live in Massachusetts, and my vote didn't count either. That's because we have so many liberal buffoons, that even Ronald Reagan couldn't win here. No republican vote has mattered for president in this state for as long as anyone can remember.
compton10101
November 20, 2016 at 02:42AM View BBCode
memo 2 willyd............u answa nuthin regardin ur distaste fo any1 not white gift wrapped in yo new prez...........ur type neva wakez up.............COMPTON
WillyD
We totally agree on this part. The majority of the world is run by a few elite families, and the Bushes and Clintons are both allied with them. The Bushes go way back though, prior to WWII. The so called enemies of the West (Iran, North Korea, etc), while not necessarily good countries, are mainly our enemies because they're not part of the world banking community. Until they "play ball" they will always have to worry about being sanctioned or invaded by the armies of the Rothschilds. Some estimates put their family wealth at 500 trillions dollars.
Your point about corporations running things is also becoming true. That's what the TPP trade deal is really about. It will actually allow corporations to sue the governments if they meddle with their profits.
November 20, 2016 at 03:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Pierzynski
If you truly want to crack down on illegal immigration, then its time to put a foot on the necks of the f*ckers who run the world. If anyone thinks that Trump isn't as much in the pockets of big business as HRC, then they are fooling themselves. Corporations will continue to prosper under a system of corporate welfare and the rich will continue to hoard their money while the middle class goes poof. This has been happening under Repubs and Dems both, so don't fool yourselves into thinking that one party sucks the d*cks of the corporate world while the other sits in peaceful protest. The Bushes, Rockefellers, Tatas, and Rothchilds of the world have built their fortunes on the backs of these people. These immigrants don't live a lavish, free lifestyle. They struggle by making much less than a living wage, they get no social security, and they can lose their jobs at the whims of their "employers"
There are no more governments, just corporations. The refreshing thing about the UAE is that Sheik Mo not only runs the country, he owns it openly. He doesn't hide the fact that everything comes from his companies.
[Edited on 11-20-2016 by Pierzynski]
We totally agree on this part. The majority of the world is run by a few elite families, and the Bushes and Clintons are both allied with them. The Bushes go way back though, prior to WWII. The so called enemies of the West (Iran, North Korea, etc), while not necessarily good countries, are mainly our enemies because they're not part of the world banking community. Until they "play ball" they will always have to worry about being sanctioned or invaded by the armies of the Rothschilds. Some estimates put their family wealth at 500 trillions dollars.
Your point about corporations running things is also becoming true. That's what the TPP trade deal is really about. It will actually allow corporations to sue the governments if they meddle with their profits.
WillyD
...and back to race again. Your type will never achieve what you want, because you're selling your soul over one issue that's been getting better over time. There are so many multi-racial families (mine included), and immigrants here that just want to live in peace without racism from any community, including the black community. You're only going to make it go in the other direction if you keep up your hate speech. The KKK and other white supremacist groups, are fringe groups without any real power or influence. This could be you one day too. African americans are becoming a smaller minority every year, while asians, and hispanics keep growing. They are much more open to voting for the best candidate on any side, versus just the best Democrat candidate. The democrats will be soon be concentrating on them much more than the black community, because they're only interested in votes.
November 20, 2016 at 03:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by compton10101
memo 2 willyd............u answa nuthin regardin ur distaste fo any1 not white gift wrapped in yo new prez...........ur type neva wakez up.............COMPTON
...and back to race again. Your type will never achieve what you want, because you're selling your soul over one issue that's been getting better over time. There are so many multi-racial families (mine included), and immigrants here that just want to live in peace without racism from any community, including the black community. You're only going to make it go in the other direction if you keep up your hate speech. The KKK and other white supremacist groups, are fringe groups without any real power or influence. This could be you one day too. African americans are becoming a smaller minority every year, while asians, and hispanics keep growing. They are much more open to voting for the best candidate on any side, versus just the best Democrat candidate. The democrats will be soon be concentrating on them much more than the black community, because they're only interested in votes.
FrosteeTBear
This is a baseball site and we should shut down political discussions--you aren't going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours!
November 20, 2016 at 10:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyDAll I see is lots of hate coming out of you--maybe you have reasons--but from your posts you just think you are better than anyone else.
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Actually lest we forget HRC won the popular vote and that my friends is a FACT!
Also because of Electoral college states with a great population like California actually get penalized and it makes my vote count less than someone else???????????? That's not fair!
Frostee, did you finish middle school? Do you understand why we have a Senate and a House of Representatives?
I live in Massachusetts, and my vote didn't count either. That's because we have so many liberal buffoons, that even Ronald Reagan couldn't win here. No republican vote has mattered for president in this state for as long as anyone can remember.
This is a baseball site and we should shut down political discussions--you aren't going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours!
compton10101
November 20, 2016 at 11:20PM View BBCode
COMPTON iz wit da snowman on dis............COMPTON
WillyD
Oh Frostee...did you get your feelings hurt? Do you need a safe space and some Playdough?
Btw, I think you and Compton see hate everywhere. That type of mindset is easy to manipulate.
November 20, 2016 at 11:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Originally posted by WillyDAll I see is lots of hate coming out of you--maybe you have reasons--but from your posts you just think you are better than anyone else.
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Actually lest we forget HRC won the popular vote and that my friends is a FACT!
Also because of Electoral college states with a great population like California actually get penalized and it makes my vote count less than someone else???????????? That's not fair!
Frostee, did you finish middle school? Do you understand why we have a Senate and a House of Representatives?
I live in Massachusetts, and my vote didn't count either. That's because we have so many liberal buffoons, that even Ronald Reagan couldn't win here. No republican vote has mattered for president in this state for as long as anyone can remember.
This is a baseball site and we should shut down political discussions--you aren't going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours!
Oh Frostee...did you get your feelings hurt? Do you need a safe space and some Playdough?
Btw, I think you and Compton see hate everywhere. That type of mindset is easy to manipulate.
FrosteeTBear
Pretty derogatory but not coming from you, I guess!
Putting people down becomes your way of winning an argument--hey that sounds like Trump..............
[Edited on 11-21-2016 by FrosteeTBear]
November 21, 2016 at 12:39AM View BBCode
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:Pretty derogatory but not coming from you, I guess!
Putting people down becomes your way of winning an argument--hey that sounds like Trump..............
[Edited on 11-21-2016 by FrosteeTBear]
compton10101
November 21, 2016 at 01:27AM View BBCode
willyd........COMPTON would HATE 2 cut u off accidentally on sum hiway in traffic fo da road rage idat cumz from yo insidez haz got 2 be a maja pschological issuez..........COMPTON
compton10101
November 21, 2016 at 05:15PM View BBCode
itz seemz dat all da hate only cumin 1 direction..........not from any but u willyd.............COMPTON
WillyD
So says hate itself. Why don't you pick out an example of what you call hate?
November 21, 2016 at 05:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by compton10101
itz seemz dat all da hate only cumin 1 direction..........not from any but u willyd.............COMPTON
So says hate itself. Why don't you pick out an example of what you call hate?
WillyD
This isn't really an argument Frostee. It's one person voicing his opinion on a subject he feels too many people don't really understand, and then being called hateful and racist despite no evidence to the contrary. That's how you types try to win what you think are arguments/debates. Drown out fact and common sense with accusations of racism, sexism, or whatever else you think will stick. It's no different than any other liberal environment. You've been taught to act that way by your teachers, professors, and peers. Some people are able to snap out of it, like my younger brother and his wife as an example, and others take longer. The really poor and well off are the ones most likely to hold on to their false premises.
November 21, 2016 at 06:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Pretty derogatory but not coming from you, I guess!
Putting people down becomes your way of winning an argument--hey that sounds like Trump..............
[Edited on 11-21-2016 by FrosteeTBear]
This isn't really an argument Frostee. It's one person voicing his opinion on a subject he feels too many people don't really understand, and then being called hateful and racist despite no evidence to the contrary. That's how you types try to win what you think are arguments/debates. Drown out fact and common sense with accusations of racism, sexism, or whatever else you think will stick. It's no different than any other liberal environment. You've been taught to act that way by your teachers, professors, and peers. Some people are able to snap out of it, like my younger brother and his wife as an example, and others take longer. The really poor and well off are the ones most likely to hold on to their false premises.
compton10101
November 21, 2016 at 07:57PM View BBCode
no oppression, bulletz flyin by, instatutionalized ISMz, genarational trauma etc. r da argumentz...........maybe u should juss say hey po people go pull yoself up by yo bootstrapz.............kidz can't learn when they brain been traumatized fo too long........when racism an fear lurk in every corna............callin people "u typez" iz a ISM unto itself...........it dehumanizez an makez people eazia 2 marginalize...............u r an IST thru an thru...........now go ask yo 1 black, gay o lady friend if u r an ISM so dat they can tell u no an u can cum back an say "see ain't no IST"................COMPTON
FrosteeTBear
November 21, 2016 at 10:02PM View BBCode
Trump wants us to believe what he says but he has had several business bankruptcies, undocumented construction workers paying them below minimum wage, and then he threatens to have them deported. He uses cheap Chinese steel and aluminum instead of supporting American industries. Trump outsources the manufacturing of his branded products. These are his real actions before he became a candidate. His campaign is fraught with lies and false advertising and he gets gullible people like you Willy to think he is the leader that will take us into some magical land of Utopia. Wake up! Trump only cares about himself..............
WillyD
I don't think anyone said he was a perfect candidate. Just so much preferable to HRC. I mean she could wind up in jail (too well connected though, so doubtful). I'm not gullible. I doubt he'll be able to do much if anything to fix things, or if he really wants to, but at least he knows what needs to be fixed. The left doesn't understand business in the slightest, and Hillary's not interested in fixing things, as she and Bill have been much more interested in giving things away. Heck, Bernie Sanders cleaned her clock in the primaries regarding trade and the economy, and he's a socialist! I'd been OK with him as President, at least the republican congress could've worked with him on some things, and kept him from going too crazy with the tax increases.
And Frostee, I have news for you.........everyone (except our government sometimes) uses Chinese steel and aluminum. When HRC mentioned that in the debates, everyone laughed at that line all day long at work the next day. Either she's totally unaware of how things work, or she was totally slandering him on that subject. Everyone buys Chinese!!!
I deal with this issue every day as I in the metal distribution business. The Chinese manipulate their currency and sell metal at super low prices. Trump mentioned this so many times on the campaign. Then on top of it we barely tax their imports, so our steel and aluminum mills can't even come close to competing. For example, my company is buying Chinese aluminum sheet for less than $1.10# (including transport overseas from China). You can't get quality domestic aluminum sheet for less than $1.30 per lb. When you're buying 20,000 lbs., why would you ever buy American? The only reason my company buys any domestic sheet is because the government makes their military contractors buy it. Even if some of big aluminum sheets customer wanted to buy domestic, they'd never be able to compete with the Chinese manufacturing and machining companies.
You can't have fair trade in the current environment. On top of this, many major aluminum mills from the U.S., Canada, and Europe are now moving big chunks of their production over to China and Korea.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by WillyD]
November 22, 2016 at 02:33AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FrosteeTBear
Trump wants us to believe what he says but he has had several business bankruptcies, undocumented construction workers paying them below minimum wage, and then he threatens to have them deported. He uses cheap Chinese steel and aluminum instead of supporting American industries. Trump outsources the manufacturing of his branded products. These are his real actions before he became a candidate. His campaign is fraught with lies and false advertising and he gets gullible people like you Willy to think he is the leader that will take us into some magical land of Utopia. Wake up! Trump only cares about himself..............
I don't think anyone said he was a perfect candidate. Just so much preferable to HRC. I mean she could wind up in jail (too well connected though, so doubtful). I'm not gullible. I doubt he'll be able to do much if anything to fix things, or if he really wants to, but at least he knows what needs to be fixed. The left doesn't understand business in the slightest, and Hillary's not interested in fixing things, as she and Bill have been much more interested in giving things away. Heck, Bernie Sanders cleaned her clock in the primaries regarding trade and the economy, and he's a socialist! I'd been OK with him as President, at least the republican congress could've worked with him on some things, and kept him from going too crazy with the tax increases.
And Frostee, I have news for you.........everyone (except our government sometimes) uses Chinese steel and aluminum. When HRC mentioned that in the debates, everyone laughed at that line all day long at work the next day. Either she's totally unaware of how things work, or she was totally slandering him on that subject. Everyone buys Chinese!!!
I deal with this issue every day as I in the metal distribution business. The Chinese manipulate their currency and sell metal at super low prices. Trump mentioned this so many times on the campaign. Then on top of it we barely tax their imports, so our steel and aluminum mills can't even come close to competing. For example, my company is buying Chinese aluminum sheet for less than $1.10# (including transport overseas from China). You can't get quality domestic aluminum sheet for less than $1.30 per lb. When you're buying 20,000 lbs., why would you ever buy American? The only reason my company buys any domestic sheet is because the government makes their military contractors buy it. Even if some of big aluminum sheets customer wanted to buy domestic, they'd never be able to compete with the Chinese manufacturing and machining companies.
You can't have fair trade in the current environment. On top of this, many major aluminum mills from the U.S., Canada, and Europe are now moving big chunks of their production over to China and Korea.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by WillyD]
dirtdevil
the difficulty in having a rational discussion with you, Willy, is that you don't support most of your positions with facts and when confronted with some you either say they're false creations of the liberals and/or mainstream media or start firing off questions about unrelated things that you demand answers to before you'll go on. if people don't dance immediately to your tune or agree with you in every particular then you start firing hateful comments in every direction and making up positions for your 'adversaries' that they haven't taken. basically it's hard to have a rational discussion with you because you don't want to have a rational discussion.
people like Dwight (for example, since he brought it up) are sincere conservatives who see the world differently than I do. I disagree with them, but we can have rational and enjoyable discussions because they are willing to consider the fact that another viewpoint might have validity for other people. you don't seem to have the ability or inclination to do that, so instead we end up with you trying to discuss sharia law like it has some kind of actual relevance to trump's immigration 'policy'. when it's (rightly) pointed out that it doesn't and never has you have a hissy fit and start lobbing verbal grenades. when frostee (correctly) points out that the electoral college makes his vote count for less than one from ohio or florida you make a false equivalency about voting in the minority bloc in your home state and accuse him of failing grade 5.
these sorts of things do not a rational discussion make.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by dirtdevil]
November 22, 2016 at 03:58PM View BBCode
you aren't gullible but Hillary could wind up in jail. the left doesn't understand business in the slightest despite the existence of both Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, either of whom could buy and sell Donald Trump (who's business acumen is so great that he has multiple bankruptcies) several times over. the important takeaway from Hillary calling out Trump's use of Chinese steel was that she doesn't understand the steel business, not the Trump had spent a great deal of time in his campaign (falsely) castigating companies like Ford for not doing business in America while doing the exact same thing himself.the difficulty in having a rational discussion with you, Willy, is that you don't support most of your positions with facts and when confronted with some you either say they're false creations of the liberals and/or mainstream media or start firing off questions about unrelated things that you demand answers to before you'll go on. if people don't dance immediately to your tune or agree with you in every particular then you start firing hateful comments in every direction and making up positions for your 'adversaries' that they haven't taken. basically it's hard to have a rational discussion with you because you don't want to have a rational discussion.
people like Dwight (for example, since he brought it up) are sincere conservatives who see the world differently than I do. I disagree with them, but we can have rational and enjoyable discussions because they are willing to consider the fact that another viewpoint might have validity for other people. you don't seem to have the ability or inclination to do that, so instead we end up with you trying to discuss sharia law like it has some kind of actual relevance to trump's immigration 'policy'. when it's (rightly) pointed out that it doesn't and never has you have a hissy fit and start lobbing verbal grenades. when frostee (correctly) points out that the electoral college makes his vote count for less than one from ohio or florida you make a false equivalency about voting in the minority bloc in your home state and accuse him of failing grade 5.
these sorts of things do not a rational discussion make.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by dirtdevil]
WillyD
Wow, you're a real nutcase! You need some meds or something.
I've never seen someone with so much ADD when discussing things. Everything you're accusing me of is exactly what you've been doing. I've been thru this before with you on the draft help board. You're erratic, and ignore anything that doesn't support your flawed argument. You won't answer questions, and then ask questions based on totally flawed assumption, and accuse others of not answering you. You're ranting about things you really don't understand, and are just regurgitating what you hear on your extreme left wing media network. You throw big names like Buffet or Gates, like that makes all of what you say true and legit. It's really sad what's happening to people like you.
A good example of your BS is when I ask Frostee if he finished middle school (which is where you learn why we have an electoral college), and you turn it into me accusing him of not finishing 5th grade, which is actually in elementary school. Then you say Sharia Law has nothing to do with his immigration policy, after I said it does. Why doesn't it? Because you say so? Should I just ignore all of the discussions I've heard/read about it on mainstream media, and just take your word. You don't even live here man! You think you understand this country? I can tell you that you don't understand it even close to the amount you think you do.
Frostee is a good guy, but has shown that he's out of his element in this thread, and like many on the left, are voting on their feelings, which have been manipulated by the side they've always supported blindly.
You can tell me I'm wrong, but you won't have any facts to disprove what I say. So just accept where I stand, and stop trying to quell my free speech by drowning it out with your left wing rhetoric.
Signed,
Middle Class America
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by WillyD]
November 22, 2016 at 04:38PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
you aren't gullible but Hillary could wind up in jail. the left doesn't understand business in the slightest despite the existence of both Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, either of whom could buy and sell Donald Trump (who's business acumen is so great that he has multiple bankruptcies) several times over. the important takeaway from Hillary calling out Trump's use of Chinese steel was that she doesn't understand the steel business, not the Trump had spent a great deal of time in his campaign (falsely) castigating companies like Ford for not doing business in America while doing the exact same thing himself.
the difficulty in having a rational discussion with you, Willy, is that you don't support most of your positions with facts and when confronted with some you either say they're false creations of the liberals and/or mainstream media or start firing off questions about unrelated things that you demand answers to before you'll go on. if people don't dance immediately to your tune or agree with you in every particular then you start firing hateful comments in every direction and making up positions for your 'adversaries' that they haven't taken. basically it's hard to have a rational discussion with you because you don't want to have a rational discussion.
people like Dwight (for example, since he brought it up) are sincere conservatives who see the world differently than I do. I disagree with them, but we can have rational and enjoyable discussions because they are willing to consider the fact that another viewpoint might have validity for other people. you don't seem to have the ability or inclination to do that, so instead we end up with you trying to discuss sharia law like it has some kind of actual relevance to trump's immigration 'policy'. when it's (rightly) pointed out that it doesn't and never has you have a hissy fit and start lobbing verbal grenades. when frostee (correctly) points out that the electoral college makes his vote count for less than one from ohio or florida you make a false equivalency about voting in the minority bloc in your home state and accuse him of failing grade 5.
these sorts of things do not a rational discussion make.
Wow, you're a real nutcase! You need some meds or something.
I've never seen someone with so much ADD when discussing things. Everything you're accusing me of is exactly what you've been doing. I've been thru this before with you on the draft help board. You're erratic, and ignore anything that doesn't support your flawed argument. You won't answer questions, and then ask questions based on totally flawed assumption, and accuse others of not answering you. You're ranting about things you really don't understand, and are just regurgitating what you hear on your extreme left wing media network. You throw big names like Buffet or Gates, like that makes all of what you say true and legit. It's really sad what's happening to people like you.
A good example of your BS is when I ask Frostee if he finished middle school (which is where you learn why we have an electoral college), and you turn it into me accusing him of not finishing 5th grade, which is actually in elementary school. Then you say Sharia Law has nothing to do with his immigration policy, after I said it does. Why doesn't it? Because you say so? Should I just ignore all of the discussions I've heard/read about it on mainstream media, and just take your word. You don't even live here man! You think you understand this country? I can tell you that you don't understand it even close to the amount you think you do.
Frostee is a good guy, but has shown that he's out of his element in this thread, and like many on the left, are voting on their feelings, which have been manipulated by the side they've always supported blindly.
You can tell me I'm wrong, but you won't have any facts to disprove what I say. So just accept where I stand, and stop trying to quell my free speech by drowning it out with your left wing rhetoric.
Signed,
Middle Class America
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by WillyD]
dirtdevil
wow. you really don't want to listen, do you? just for kicks though, i'l, play your game this one time.
for starters, I don't watch your networks of any description and very little of ours. I read publications of both spectrums from both sides of our border. I like to see what both sides are saying on as many issues as possible, although I dislike the fact that everything seems to be coalescing on one 'side' or the other, especially in the US. so your underlying assumptions about where I get my information are as flawed as your interpretations of my beliefs.
I use gates and buffet not to make what I say true and legit but to point out that your positions has large logical holes. because it does. not all on the left are poor businesspeople, just as not all on the right are good ones. painting everyone on the left as having no understanding of business or economics is false and makes it difficult to have a real discussion.
why doesn't sharia law have no impact on trump's immigration policy? because that's not what he cited as motivation for it when he announced it. when he said he supported a blanket ban on all muslims entering the US (which he did, you can find the video without working all that hard) it was because his position was that since most terrorists are muslims, it would make America safer to not allow them into the country. now there are all kinds of flaws with that logic, but the impact on sharia law on the country was never one which he gave. furthermore, sharia law itself is not legal in the US (or Canada, for that matter). there is no large movement that i'm aware of to make sharia law applicable in either country and even if there were its implementation would contravene several articles of constitutional law in both countries. in short it's a non-issue because it couldn't happen without a major reconstruction of (in your case) the US constitution, the supreme court and the physical makeup of the house, the senate and a majority of state-level governments. I don't see any way that an influx of a small number of muslim refugees would in any way create the level of groundswell in favour of sharia law that such changes would require. let alone simple tourism, which would also be barred to muslims under trump's 'plan'. more to the point though, why should I accept that sharia law had a role in trump's immigration policy just because you say it does, in direct contravention of the available evidence? why do you feel like I need to accept what you say unless I disprove it when you clearly aren't willing to extend the same level of thought to what I say?
I don't know if you're ignorant of hyperbole but focusing on my use of '5th grade' instead of 'middle school' as a way of invalidating the position attached to it is either lazy or a simple refusal to respond to the actual point- which is, frostee is correct about his assertions with regards to the electoral college and your response about voting republican in a democratic leaning state is a false equivalency. the two things are just not the same. frostee is right about the electoral college because it was specifically designed to do just that- make votes from a more populated state count for less than those in a less populated state. your republican vote in your state doesn't count for less than your neighbour's democratic one. they both count for one vote at the level at which they're cast. the fact that more votes are cast for a democrat in your state just means that the democrat wins there. it's no different than a democratic vote in Utah. but a democratic vote for president in California does count for less than a republican vote in ohio (or a democratic one in ohio, for that matter) because the college weights them differently, as it was designed to do.
you say that those on the left are supporting 'their side' blindly but so far as I can see, you're the one in this thread who has steadfastly refused to look at the available evidence, instead preferring to just accept anything said by trump or breitbart as the gospel truth.
as far as not being from your country and therefore not being able to understand it, i'm not sure what to say to you about that. your country is no more difficult to study than any other and less difficult than most, simply due to the mass amounts of media you throw out into the ether. i'm not about to present myself as an expert on US constitutional law, but I don't see any reason why my opinion on your politics, elections or presidents should be considered less informed than anyone else's. if you'd like to have a similar discussion about Canadian politics, i'd be more than happy to oblige.
also, that's not what free speech means. no one is trying to prevent you from saying anything, clearly. but exercising your right to free speech does not exempt you from disagreement or from having flaws in your logic or factual mistakes discussed.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by dirtdevil]
November 22, 2016 at 05:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by dirtdevil
you aren't gullible but Hillary could wind up in jail. the left doesn't understand business in the slightest despite the existence of both Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, either of whom could buy and sell Donald Trump (who's business acumen is so great that he has multiple bankruptcies) several times over. the important takeaway from Hillary calling out Trump's use of Chinese steel was that she doesn't understand the steel business, not the Trump had spent a great deal of time in his campaign (falsely) castigating companies like Ford for not doing business in America while doing the exact same thing himself.
the difficulty in having a rational discussion with you, Willy, is that you don't support most of your positions with facts and when confronted with some you either say they're false creations of the liberals and/or mainstream media or start firing off questions about unrelated things that you demand answers to before you'll go on. if people don't dance immediately to your tune or agree with you in every particular then you start firing hateful comments in every direction and making up positions for your 'adversaries' that they haven't taken. basically it's hard to have a rational discussion with you because you don't want to have a rational discussion.
people like Dwight (for example, since he brought it up) are sincere conservatives who see the world differently than I do. I disagree with them, but we can have rational and enjoyable discussions because they are willing to consider the fact that another viewpoint might have validity for other people. you don't seem to have the ability or inclination to do that, so instead we end up with you trying to discuss sharia law like it has some kind of actual relevance to trump's immigration 'policy'. when it's (rightly) pointed out that it doesn't and never has you have a hissy fit and start lobbing verbal grenades. when frostee (correctly) points out that the electoral college makes his vote count for less than one from ohio or florida you make a false equivalency about voting in the minority bloc in your home state and accuse him of failing grade 5.
these sorts of things do not a rational discussion make.
Wow, you're a real nutcase! You need some meds or something.
I've never seen someone with so much ADD when discussing things. Everything you're accusing me of is exactly what you've been doing. I've been thru this before with you on the draft help board. You're erratic, and ignore anything that doesn't support your flawed argument. You won't answer questions, and then ask questions based on totally flawed assumption, and accuse others of not answering you. You're ranting about things you really don't understand, and are just regurgitating what you hear on your extreme left wing media network. You throw big names like Buffet or Gates, like that makes all of what you say true and legit. It's really sad what's happening to people like you.
A good example of your BS is when I ask Frostee if he finished middle school (which is where you learn why we have an electoral college), and you turn it into not finishing 5th grade, which is actually elementary school. Then you say Sharia Law has nothing to do with his immigration policy, after I said it does. Why doesn't it? Because you say so? Should I just ignore all of the discussions I've heard/read about it on mainstream media, and just take your word. You don't even live here man! You think you understand this country? I can tell you that you don't understand it even close to the amount you think you do.
Frostee is a good guy, but has shown that he's out of his element in this thread, and like many on the left, are voting on their feelings, which have been manipulated by the side they've always supported blindly.
You can tell me I'm wrong, but you won't have any facts to disprove what I say. So just accept where I stand, and stop trying to quell my free speech by drowning it out with your left wing rhetoric.
Signed,
Middle Class America
wow. you really don't want to listen, do you? just for kicks though, i'l, play your game this one time.
for starters, I don't watch your networks of any description and very little of ours. I read publications of both spectrums from both sides of our border. I like to see what both sides are saying on as many issues as possible, although I dislike the fact that everything seems to be coalescing on one 'side' or the other, especially in the US. so your underlying assumptions about where I get my information are as flawed as your interpretations of my beliefs.
I use gates and buffet not to make what I say true and legit but to point out that your positions has large logical holes. because it does. not all on the left are poor businesspeople, just as not all on the right are good ones. painting everyone on the left as having no understanding of business or economics is false and makes it difficult to have a real discussion.
why doesn't sharia law have no impact on trump's immigration policy? because that's not what he cited as motivation for it when he announced it. when he said he supported a blanket ban on all muslims entering the US (which he did, you can find the video without working all that hard) it was because his position was that since most terrorists are muslims, it would make America safer to not allow them into the country. now there are all kinds of flaws with that logic, but the impact on sharia law on the country was never one which he gave. furthermore, sharia law itself is not legal in the US (or Canada, for that matter). there is no large movement that i'm aware of to make sharia law applicable in either country and even if there were its implementation would contravene several articles of constitutional law in both countries. in short it's a non-issue because it couldn't happen without a major reconstruction of (in your case) the US constitution, the supreme court and the physical makeup of the house, the senate and a majority of state-level governments. I don't see any way that an influx of a small number of muslim refugees would in any way create the level of groundswell in favour of sharia law that such changes would require. let alone simple tourism, which would also be barred to muslims under trump's 'plan'. more to the point though, why should I accept that sharia law had a role in trump's immigration policy just because you say it does, in direct contravention of the available evidence? why do you feel like I need to accept what you say unless I disprove it when you clearly aren't willing to extend the same level of thought to what I say?
I don't know if you're ignorant of hyperbole but focusing on my use of '5th grade' instead of 'middle school' as a way of invalidating the position attached to it is either lazy or a simple refusal to respond to the actual point- which is, frostee is correct about his assertions with regards to the electoral college and your response about voting republican in a democratic leaning state is a false equivalency. the two things are just not the same. frostee is right about the electoral college because it was specifically designed to do just that- make votes from a more populated state count for less than those in a less populated state. your republican vote in your state doesn't count for less than your neighbour's democratic one. they both count for one vote at the level at which they're cast. the fact that more votes are cast for a democrat in your state just means that the democrat wins there. it's no different than a democratic vote in Utah. but a democratic vote for president in California does count for less than a republican vote in ohio (or a democratic one in ohio, for that matter) because the college weights them differently, as it was designed to do.
you say that those on the left are supporting 'their side' blindly but so far as I can see, you're the one in this thread who has steadfastly refused to look at the available evidence, instead preferring to just accept anything said by trump or breitbart as the gospel truth.
as far as not being from your country and therefore not being able to understand it, i'm not sure what to say to you about that. your country is no more difficult to study than any other and less difficult than most, simply due to the mass amounts of media you throw out into the ether. i'm not about to present myself as an expert on US constitutional law, but I don't see any reason why my opinion on your politics, elections or presidents should be considered less informed than anyone else's. if you'd like to have a similar discussion about Canadian politics, i'd be more than happy to oblige.
also, that's not what free speech means. no one is trying to prevent you from saying anything, clearly. but exercising your right to free speech does not exempt you from disagreement or from having flaws in your logic or factual mistakes discussed.
[Edited on 11-22-2016 by dirtdevil]
compton10101010
November 22, 2016 at 06:37PM View BBCode
COMPTON now thinkz dat dis willyd iz prolly a dangerous lil man........he soundz ridiculously trump like in hiz responsez.............got hand 2 hiz passion an convictionz even if he sprayz accountability on every1 else instaed of himself...........willyd COMPTON hopez u don't carry weaponz.............u dangerous bro................COMPTON
WillyD
This is a perfect example of why you're not taken very seriously. I never said Trump's motivation (at least what he mentioned for his initial immigration stance) was based on Sharia Law. He certainly talked about it in August quite a bit as being a factor in his extreme vetting plan (you can easily look that up that fact by the way...). I merely mentioned it as a question why any freedom loving liberal would want people who follow Sharia Law (the hard line Sharia law like in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistian) let into their country. You or Frostee could easily have answered that question. Instead you used it was a way to go off the rails and manipulate the conversation in a direction away from statements you couldn't counter (It's what you do best, I'm afraid). We're never going to agree on much, so I'm not going to try and change your mind on all of your false premises, and other head trash messing you up.
The funny thing about all of this is that you think I agree with Trump on this issue. I might agree a part in theory, if I believed that all the information reported in the news was actually accurate. CNN, ABC, CBS, CBC, BBC, FOX...all of them are incorrectly reporting or utterly ignoring real news stories in regards to what's really going on in the war on terror. For example, they aren't telling you Syria is about a natural gas pipeline that Assad awarded to Iran and Russia over Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S. coalition. And of course, it's an opportunity for more false flag terrorism. You should listen to what Malcolm X thinks about HRC, and about what she did to Libya!
Now I know this will make me a villain with liberals and conservatives alike, and I'll be called all kinds of names, but I'll share what I believe is happening anyways. I'm not referring to individual cases of terrorism, but as a whole, the terrorist threat, is really a false flag attack. Governments for millennia have know that before you want to implement a policy you know the people won't accept, you create an environment where they will accept it. 911 made Americans accept the Patriot Act (written many years before the 911 attack...). What else will we accept? Terrorism is being used as a tool to willfully give up our freedom.
I realize most people won't be able to wrap their head around what I just said, but time will prove my statements as accurate. I, along with many other people around the world believe we're all being duped by the mainstream right wing and left wing politicians. Trump may very well be part of the elites' agenda, but I was happy to see him win over HRC, who I know is part of the elite ruling establishment. By the way, I would've much preferred Bernie Sanders over any of those other Republicans like Marco Rubio, John Kasich, or Jeb Bush, for the same reasons I wanted Trump to win. He was a chance to stop the world from going in the wrong direction for a few years. I'll take a chance over no chance at all.
November 23, 2016 at 01:12AM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
why doesn't sharia law have no impact on trump's immigration policy? because that's not what he cited as motivation for it when he announced it. when he said he supported a blanket ban on all muslims entering the US (which he did, you can find the video without working all that hard) it was because his position was that since most terrorists are muslims, it would make America safer to not allow them into the country. now there are all kinds of flaws with that logic, but the impact on sharia law on the country was never one which he gave. furthermore, sharia law itself is not legal in the US (or Canada, for that matter). there is no large movement that i'm aware of to make sharia law applicable in either country and even if there were its implementation would contravene several articles of constitutional law in both countries. in short it's a non-issue because it couldn't happen without a major reconstruction of (in your case) the US constitution, the supreme court and the physical makeup of the house, the senate and a majority of state-level governments. I don't see any way that an influx of a small number of muslim refugees would in any way create the level of groundswell in favour of sharia law that such changes would require. let alone simple tourism, which would also be barred to muslims under trump's 'plan'. more to the point though, why should I accept that sharia law had a role in trump's immigration policy just because you say it does, in direct contravention of the available evidence? why do you feel like I need to accept what you say unless I disprove it when you clearly aren't willing to extend the same level of thought to what I say?
This is a perfect example of why you're not taken very seriously. I never said Trump's motivation (at least what he mentioned for his initial immigration stance) was based on Sharia Law. He certainly talked about it in August quite a bit as being a factor in his extreme vetting plan (you can easily look that up that fact by the way...). I merely mentioned it as a question why any freedom loving liberal would want people who follow Sharia Law (the hard line Sharia law like in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistian) let into their country. You or Frostee could easily have answered that question. Instead you used it was a way to go off the rails and manipulate the conversation in a direction away from statements you couldn't counter (It's what you do best, I'm afraid). We're never going to agree on much, so I'm not going to try and change your mind on all of your false premises, and other head trash messing you up.
The funny thing about all of this is that you think I agree with Trump on this issue. I might agree a part in theory, if I believed that all the information reported in the news was actually accurate. CNN, ABC, CBS, CBC, BBC, FOX...all of them are incorrectly reporting or utterly ignoring real news stories in regards to what's really going on in the war on terror. For example, they aren't telling you Syria is about a natural gas pipeline that Assad awarded to Iran and Russia over Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S. coalition. And of course, it's an opportunity for more false flag terrorism. You should listen to what Malcolm X thinks about HRC, and about what she did to Libya!
Now I know this will make me a villain with liberals and conservatives alike, and I'll be called all kinds of names, but I'll share what I believe is happening anyways. I'm not referring to individual cases of terrorism, but as a whole, the terrorist threat, is really a false flag attack. Governments for millennia have know that before you want to implement a policy you know the people won't accept, you create an environment where they will accept it. 911 made Americans accept the Patriot Act (written many years before the 911 attack...). What else will we accept? Terrorism is being used as a tool to willfully give up our freedom.
I realize most people won't be able to wrap their head around what I just said, but time will prove my statements as accurate. I, along with many other people around the world believe we're all being duped by the mainstream right wing and left wing politicians. Trump may very well be part of the elites' agenda, but I was happy to see him win over HRC, who I know is part of the elite ruling establishment. By the way, I would've much preferred Bernie Sanders over any of those other Republicans like Marco Rubio, John Kasich, or Jeb Bush, for the same reasons I wanted Trump to win. He was a chance to stop the world from going in the wrong direction for a few years. I'll take a chance over no chance at all.
WillyD
No need to worry about me Compton! I may think you're a buffoon on the boards, but I don't get mad easy. It's hard for most people to pick up on that when people are posting in forums, or thru email. People tend to assume that others are feeling the way they are.
I regards to weapons (assuming you mean firearms), I've never owned one, and never fired one until I joined the USMC. I barely qualified in boot camp, but became a sharpshooter quickly, and was awarded the Rifle Expert badge three consecutive times to finish out my enlistment. 9 out of 10 from 500 yards in the prone position. No scopes, no problem.
November 23, 2016 at 01:27AM View BBCode
Originally posted by compton10101010
COMPTON now thinkz dat dis willyd iz prolly a dangerous lil man........he soundz ridiculously trump like in hiz responsez.............got hand 2 hiz passion an convictionz even if he sprayz accountability on every1 else instaed of himself...........willyd COMPTON hopez u don't carry weaponz.............u dangerous bro................COMPTON
No need to worry about me Compton! I may think you're a buffoon on the boards, but I don't get mad easy. It's hard for most people to pick up on that when people are posting in forums, or thru email. People tend to assume that others are feeling the way they are.
I regards to weapons (assuming you mean firearms), I've never owned one, and never fired one until I joined the USMC. I barely qualified in boot camp, but became a sharpshooter quickly, and was awarded the Rifle Expert badge three consecutive times to finish out my enlistment. 9 out of 10 from 500 yards in the prone position. No scopes, no problem.
compton10101
November 23, 2016 at 02:02AM View BBCode
COMPTON sho knowz dat many in da military gotz da brain damage from trauma.......mite explain sum of yo postz...........damn impressive wit da sharpshootin............COMPTONz bout quantity not quality..............COMPTON preferz da TEC 9.... dat bein said yall mite wanna move away from all dat in da last post........could sound like threatz an there no need fo dat...........itz only politicz............an if yo pointz r dat important then yall can juss win.........there now u can feel good u r da winna...............COMPTON