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| Poll: Best pitcher in MLB now | |
|---|---|
| Jake Peavy | 5 |
| Johan Santana | 16 |
| C.C. Sabathia | 1 |
| Josh Beckett | 5 |
| King Felix Hernandez | 0 |
| Dice-K | 0 |
| Brandon Webb | 7 |
| Dan Haren | 0 |
| Brad Penny | 1 |
| Ben Sheets | 1 |
| Carlos Zambrano | 2 |
| Fausto Carmona | 0 |
| Chris Young | 0 |
| Erik Bedard | 0 |
| John Lackey | 0 |
whiskybear
Wouldn't that be considered a push, anyway? And doesn't Vegas always set the over/under at a decimal, such as 3.5, to avoid just such a situation?
April 28, 2008 at 02:13PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hamilton2
Webb wins and by a score of 2-1 at that. Never bet against the house. (previous post: over/under at 3)
Wouldn't that be considered a push, anyway? And doesn't Vegas always set the over/under at a decimal, such as 3.5, to avoid just such a situation?
Hamilton2
April 28, 2008 at 05:03PM View BBCode
Yes. But I'm not Vegas ... I'm a Hamiltonian Federalist, and I will make the rules however I see fit to benefit myself. :lol:
FuriousGiorge
April 28, 2008 at 05:22PM View BBCode
Sometimes your weird Hamilton thing spills into terrifying.
nbn_ckh3
May 04, 2008 at 04:35AM View BBCode
What happened to the delusional guy? This thread isn't funny anymore without him.
JakePeavy44
Peavy 2.30 ERA 4-1 43Ks
Webb 2.49 ERA 7-0 37Ks
Santana 3.12 ERA 3-2 39Ks (I will update stats tomorrow since not all stats are updated yet)
Now for me the most important stat individually for a pitcher is ERA and seeing how Peavy has the highest I would say he is having the better season. Webb is very impressive at 7-0 but lets be honest thats a shitload of offense he is pitching with, and its the opposite case sadly in San Diego.
How is that for CRAZY (Damn you HTML CODE)
[Edited on 5-5-2008 by JakePeavy44]
May 04, 2008 at 07:42AM View BBCode
just gave up on you and your stupid logic. Crazy guy is stretch don't you think here is the 1 month update sincePeavy 2.30 ERA 4-1 43Ks
Webb 2.49 ERA 7-0 37Ks
Santana 3.12 ERA 3-2 39Ks (I will update stats tomorrow since not all stats are updated yet)
Now for me the most important stat individually for a pitcher is ERA and seeing how Peavy has the highest I would say he is having the better season. Webb is very impressive at 7-0 but lets be honest thats a shitload of offense he is pitching with, and its the opposite case sadly in San Diego.
How is that for CRAZY (Damn you HTML CODE)
[Edited on 5-5-2008 by JakePeavy44]
Benne
You're an idiot.
But just to humor you more, and to further illustrate how ridiculous it is to judge players this early:
Cliff fucking Lee: 5-0 0.96 ERA 32 Ks
Tim Lincecum: 3-1 1.67 ERA 36 Ks
Zach Greinke: 3-1 1.47 ERA 28 Ks
[Edited on 5-4-2008 by Benne]
May 04, 2008 at 07:48AM View BBCode
Now for me the most important stat individually for a pitcher is ERA and seeing how Peavy has the highest I would say he is having the better season.
You're an idiot.
But just to humor you more, and to further illustrate how ridiculous it is to judge players this early:
Cliff fucking Lee: 5-0 0.96 ERA 32 Ks
Tim Lincecum: 3-1 1.67 ERA 36 Ks
Zach Greinke: 3-1 1.47 ERA 28 Ks
[Edited on 5-4-2008 by Benne]
nbn_ckh3
They have lower ERA lines than Peavy... must mean they're going to the HOF. This thread just made it back to awesome again.
Crazy threads really make my time at work fly by. Thanks, Wild Bill.
May 04, 2008 at 08:01AM View BBCode
Originally posted by JakePeavy44Ding Ding Ding!
I'm assholes
Originally posted by Benne
Cliff censored Lee: 5-0 0.96 ERA 32 Ks
Tim Lincecum: 3-1 1.67 ERA 36 Ks
Zach Greinke: 3-1 1.47 ERA 28 Ks
[Edited on 5-4-2008 by Benne]
They have lower ERA lines than Peavy... must mean they're going to the HOF. This thread just made it back to awesome again.
Crazy threads really make my time at work fly by. Thanks, Wild Bill.
rkinslow19
Benne already trounced your post once, but let's not forget that one of the reasons the Padres offense is so anemic is Petco, which is *ta-da* one of the reasons Peavy's numbers look so good.
May 04, 2008 at 03:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by JakePeavy44
Now for me the most important stat individually for a pitcher is ERA and seeing how Peavy has the highest I would say he is having the better season. Webb is very impressive at 7-0 but lets be honest thats a shitload of offense he is pitching with, and its the opposite case sadly in San Diego.
Benne already trounced your post once, but let's not forget that one of the reasons the Padres offense is so anemic is Petco, which is *ta-da* one of the reasons Peavy's numbers look so good.
barterer2002
May 04, 2008 at 03:55PM View BBCode
don't worry Ryan, he'll ignore that. I've already pointed it out twice but it doesn't count because it works in his favor.
happy
so there you go JakePeavyFanatic, I made your argument stronger. But its still wrong.
May 04, 2008 at 07:10PM View BBCode
Yes, the season is early, yes, ERA is not the best way to judge a pitcher's value...but VORP is. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204030 Peavy is actually ahead of Webb and Santana in VORP also. Yet again, not a large enough sample size, and you cant argue that Peavy is the best pitcher because he is 4th in VORP. That should quell some of the park effect arguments.so there you go JakePeavyFanatic, I made your argument stronger. But its still wrong.
tworoosters
[Edited on 5-5-2008 by tworoosters]
May 05, 2008 at 04:22PM View BBCode
Shouldn't the fact that this is a poll about the "best pitcher in MLB now" that has Ben Sheets and Chris Young as possible answers while omitting Roy Halladay be a tipoff that something is wrong here ?[Edited on 5-5-2008 by tworoosters]
happy
May 05, 2008 at 05:20PM View BBCode
I'd say the tipoff to me was that the guy's name is JakePeavy.
Bones2484
Nah, it makes sense to me. Chris Young is on the Padres, so clearly he gets bonus points for playing in San Diego. Sheets plays in the NL and probably won a game against Peavy at some point... so obviously he must not be mortal.
Halladay, on the other hand, plays in Canada in the "other league". Obviously nothing he does matters.
May 05, 2008 at 05:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Shouldn't the fact that this is a poll about the "best pitcher in MLB now" that has Ben Sheets and Chris Young as possible answers while omitting Roy Halladay be a tipoff that something is wrong here ?
Nah, it makes sense to me. Chris Young is on the Padres, so clearly he gets bonus points for playing in San Diego. Sheets plays in the NL and probably won a game against Peavy at some point... so obviously he must not be mortal.
Halladay, on the other hand, plays in Canada in the "other league". Obviously nothing he does matters.
JakePeavy44
2. Lee and others wont be able to hold onto their numbers you all know that
May 05, 2008 at 09:45PM View BBCode
I hate you guys sooooo much, he has better numbers away then he does at Petco number 1.2. Lee and others wont be able to hold onto their numbers you all know that
whiskybear
May 05, 2008 at 09:50PM View BBCode
Neither will Jake Peavy after you stab him in a jealous rage when he doesn't answer any of your letters.
happy
May 05, 2008 at 09:51PM View BBCode
Look, dude, I already pointed out that Peavy is having a better year than Santana, but just like you said about Lee and others, I dont think Peavy will hold onto the lead over Webb/Santana. And even if he does, that proves nothing. I mean, Santana has straight up outpitched Peavy, no questions asked for multiple years, one year isnt going to just throw Santana overboard unless it is a significantly better year.
BobbyGrich
#1 the word you are searching for is "than" not "then".
#2 Is it just me or does this [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_splits.jsp?playerID=408241&statType=2]stat line[/url] show Peavy having a 0.87 ERA at home and a 4.58 away? How is 4.58 better than 0.87??????????????
May 05, 2008 at 11:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by JakePeavy44
he has better numbers away then he does at Petco number 1.
#1 the word you are searching for is "than" not "then".
#2 Is it just me or does this [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_splits.jsp?playerID=408241&statType=2]stat line[/url] show Peavy having a 0.87 ERA at home and a 4.58 away? How is 4.58 better than 0.87??????????????
whiskybear
Wow. Demolished.
May 05, 2008 at 11:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by BobbyGrich
#2 Is it just me or does this [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_splits.jsp?playerID=408241&statType=2]stat line[/url] show Peavy having a 0.87 ERA at home and a 4.58 away? How is 4.58 better than 0.87??????????????
Wow. Demolished.